25 Replies Latest reply: Mar 31, 2012 7:35 PM by Gerbera_Kai RSS

Bad players don't get stealth bomber

Ever since this game came out, there is no doubt that the Support package has been slightly controversial. While I have no problem with it and only run assault anyway, a lot of people seem to be bothered by some of the rewards in it. Mainly the Stealth Bomber. Now, one comment I hear a lot is that no reward should be able to kill in the Support package. I do not agree with this point, just for the simply fact that it's STILL rewarding the team. Aside from that, the other thing I always hear is that "bad players should not be rewarded". Honestly, I rarely see "bad players" earn enough kills to get the Stealth Bomber anyway. I mean, if we are really talking about BAD players, these are guys who rarely get 10 kills per match. Additionally, if they were so bad, shouldn't we be blaming ourselves for letting them accumulate enough kills to obtain the Stealth Bomber. Just something to think about. It's really not as big a deal as people make it out to be.

  • Re: Bad players don't get stealth bomber
    ghamorra

    In objective based games it's not uncommon for someone to get 13k and 30ish deaths. That person should not be rewarded with a killstreak as powerful as a Stealth Bomber to be used on maps as small as MW3's

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    You must be kidding me. dlundebjerg28 can attest to this because I partied up with him a few nights ago, but I managed to get an escort airdrop without getting a single kill. I ran hardline pro with a riotshield and managed to get an airdrop by capping flags, throwing stun checks and getting distraction assists.

     

    I managed to get this at the 150 score mark in domination. If you think that a stealth bomber is difficult to get, you're insane. I've gotten 4 EMPs in a game before. I can get 3 EMPs within 2 or 3 tries easily on any give day. The truth is that support streaks should never have been set up the way that they were. They should've been the same as assault streaks in that they reset each time you die, but the number of kills required should've been lowered as in Blops.

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      Jesus christ were talking about bad players here. Good for you with the right sheild that must of been fun but the truth is a bad player either won't get a stealth bomber or might get 1 the whole game. Also if they realise they don't do that good they might run lower streaks than that. The sealth bomber is fine in support considering that it is most useful in domination to support you're team. If the thing was in assault and was more than 8 kills I doubt many people would be using it.

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        runner-gunner wrote:

         

        Jesus christ were talking about bad players here. Good for you with the right sheild that must of been fun but the truth is a bad player either won't get a stealth bomber or might get 1 the whole game. Also if they realise they don't do that good they might run lower streaks than that. The sealth bomber is fine in support considering that it is most useful in domination to support you're team. If the thing was in assault and was more than 8 kills I doubt many people would be using it.

         

        Yes I realize that, but what I'm saying is that if I am able to get 4 EMPs in a game, that even the worst players are probably able to get 1 stealth bomber every game as well.

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    I'm not too concerned about the stealth bomber. People just love to spam escort airdrops and juggernauts in free for all and that kind of changes the game mode to something else. I simply think support package rewards it's users too easily. This issue is not matter of life and death, but if it was up to me, I would demand some changes to it in the future (might even remove it altogether).

     

    ...and yes, if you are very bad player, you might never get to enjoy the higher point streaks. So you need some skill, of course.

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    pipboy2033

    The only thing that bothers me about te support package is the stealth bomber. Its freakin easy to get, especially in groundwar. I hate when im going on a streak and some dude thats 15 and 20 ends it with something he earned by simply playing the game. The stealth bomber is too powerfull to be in the support package.

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    Thesandman

    How is it to weak for the assault package? i would put it at around 7 to 9 kills on assault, which is the same as an attack helicopter or a strafe run.

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    monkeylord

    I only play K.C so there it's not much of a problem as the rounds are quite short so it's rare for a player to get it more than twice and i'd say about 3-4 people run it per match (at least thats my experience)

    I don't see it as much of a problem and I think support players should get a reward for taking down the stuff in the air on these small maps about 50% of the time you're found just after launching your stinger so if my streak was reset then I would be less inclined to take the risk and just let the team i'm put with fend for themselves.

    It doesn't bug me  dying by a stealth anymore than it does being killed by a predator, heli or a reward from a carepackage. It's just more likely you're going to die from a stealth mid to late in the round so people may be on the way to an M.O.A.B or a high assualt kill streak.

    Although the only time I miss running the assault streak is when someone calls in a straff run which used to be an instant care package and predator for me.

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    josh1073

    people just enjoy crying and finding every excuse to mock there death up to some unfair factor op,lag,hacks,cheaters ect...

     

    There is nothing wrong with the kill streaks or placement the stealth bomber has been nerfed alot since mw2 it even tells you its coming,

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    Yeah, I really see or have no problem with the Stealth Bomber. I haven't even used it at all after the first month or so.

     

    As said, the truly "bad" players will rarely get one and even if they do, the match is most likely almost over anyway, so using it won't really make a huge difference at that point.

     

    The ones that are REALLY using it a lot (as in ones that get them spammed on teams) are actually "better" players simply taking advantage of the how the Support Killstreaks work. Usually the type of people who are so annoyed that they get killed when they're 1 away from their Assault Killstreak(s), only to be killed and have to start all over again. They don't have to worry about such a thing with Support, so they switch to that and pick the Stealth Bomber, EMP, and Escort Airdrop and then simply rampage without worry.

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    Snipingdbag

    No Skill multi kill. You need 14 point streak which isn't hard to get especially in dom. Average players get them every game in dom. Something so powerful should need some skill to get. Imo it should be a 10 assault streak, maybe even higher as the choppa and pred can give you that easily.

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      I always enjoy the word "skill" when it thrown around about a video game. Video games, especially this one require no "skill". All that matters is you have the better connection. I could run with an M60 and routinely take down someone using the PP90, why you ask? Better connection, not "skill".

       

      Support kill streaks in this game were put in for those of us who do not have the "ability" to get mulitiple kills before dying, earning us a kill streak. With hundreds of thousands of people playing this game worldwide, not everyone can accomplish this. Support was put in to help those earn killstreaks, I have no issue with this. I don't play objective based games as they are just a campfest worse than hardcore. In TDM I have not really had any issues with spamming bombers.

       

      Though as the OP said, bad players do not get bombers, yes, but maybe their connection just plain sucks, because really thats all that matters in this game, right?

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        Gotta agree here too.

         

        I remember a discussion entitled, "This game is not about Skill, it's about Connection", or something like that, where a lot of players who seem "bad" are really just on the receiving end of being punished for their better connection while ones that seem like they're "good" players are ones who are constantly having such people as opponents, thus are "unfairly" getting kills that they otherwise wouldn't have gotten if the connections were equal and such.

         

        And this also goes back to what I was saying, while it may have been made for people who have trouble getting multiple kills in a row for constant M.O.A.B.s, there are also those types of players who can and do take advantage of it simply because they themselves won't have to worry about having their "godly" killstreaking be interrupted because of a "lucky" kill by a camper/noob/"inferior" player and so on.

         

         

        As I and others also brought up, if the Stealth Bomber is SO easily screwing over someone and/or their team, don't they think that MAYBE it's because THEY are the ones who are making it easy for the Stealth Bomber to do such a thing in the first place (people thinking they're "too good" to be killed like that)? The Stealth Bomber is just doing what it was made to do. It's not purposely seeking them out, no matter where they are on the map and dropping 10+ bombs on them to ensure their death or making passes over the whole map or anything. It's those players' fault for staying so clustered together and/or out in such an open area where they set themselves up to be such easy prey for the Stealth Bomber in the first place.

         

        Just like how it's the enemy team's fault for no one having a class or bothering to switch to a class with anti-air while everyone runs around in the open and get mowed down by an Attack Helicopter/Pave Low, or stay camped out in spots with a Reaper/AC-130 overhead, or something.

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    I, like many others used to be bad at CoD when we first got it.

    Back in those days, "support streaks" weren't even on the discussion table... I got better by selecting kill streaks that were very hard to obtain and to get these killstreaks, I had to alter my game style.

     

    Support streaks don't make people better, they make them lazy. It gets more noobs an incentive to run around with an RPG ruining other people's games. There is no skill in getting a stealth bomber. There are some matches when about 3 EMP's go off but the team which activates them are all going negative.

     

    Support, Specalist and the new point streak system have been a gigantic failure, they are rewarding players for being bad and thus, this gives them no incentive what so ever to get better seeing as they are being rewarded for this.

     

    IW have been aggressivly nulling skill away from their series, the re-introduction of death streaks, the introduction of support and the point streak system. The map layouts have almost destroyed all tactical positioning, they've destroyed tactical camping, corner camping is more rife than it's ever been before, rapid fire extended mag SMG's run rampant, snipers have no recoil... yes, it is clear that the IW development team don't want skill in their titles.

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    Most of the posts in here just prove the elite ,or so they think players simply never want to die .They truly believe they are so good noone should ever kill them .Especially someone who only manages 13/14 kills a game .

    If you tits are so great never use any streaks ,see how you go

    You could also say why does anyone getting 15/20 kills without dying need some more of the easiest kills you can get with the higher ,ac130 etc streaks.Not the most balanced system that way either 

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    Its a general thing that people seem to hate bad players getting stealth bombers ect or players going 15-30 for example.

     

    What are peoples thoughts on players who use the support when they get lots of kills, caps etc and dont die as much? Are people not too bothered by that or just annoyed that it is in the support package in general?

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    iAmEFFeX wrote:

     

    Ever since this game came out, there is no doubt that the Support package has been slightly controversial. While I have no problem with it and only run assault anyway, a lot of people seem to be bothered by some of the rewards in it. Mainly the Stealth Bomber. Now, one comment I hear a lot is that no reward should be able to kill in the Support package. I do not agree with this point, just for the simply fact that it's STILL rewarding the team. Aside from that, the other thing I always hear is that "bad players should not be rewarded". Honestly, I rarely see "bad players" earn enough kills to get the Stealth Bomber anyway. I mean, if we are really talking about BAD players, these are guys who rarely get 10 kills per match. Additionally, if they were so bad, shouldn't we be blaming ourselves for letting them accumulate enough kills to obtain the Stealth Bomber. Just something to think about. It's really not as big a deal as people make it out to be.

    I'm glad to see someone make a post like this that doesn't have their head shoved up their ass. Nice post - agreed.

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    A lot of the "Stealth Bomber is OP" complaints also only started popping out of the woodwork AFTER IW patched the bug that allowed the enemy team to see it on radar via Color Blind Assist. Now that they can't cheat their way out of avoiding it so often and it's working like it's supposed to, only now do people think it's OP and something has to be done.