39 Replies Latest reply: May 17, 2012 8:15 AM by atiredoldguy RSS

Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

For me final stand is the best deathstreak in mw3 although you hate it you also can't live without it....for example your going for a Moab and have 23 kills and end up on dead mans hand why?your gonna miss out on the Moab  Are u mad........at least with final stand you can still survive and also get that final kill for you Moab ..... Pleas tell me if you use any other deathstreaks and why you think it benefits you????

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

    I use Juiced. I hardly ever get Deathstreaks. When I do, I like to be able to get the quick revenge kill.

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      Yeah like ^^he^^ said, juiced all the way because the spawn system usually guarantees you a revenge kill with it, never used last stand or that claymore thing because I honestly think they are only good for people new to the game who need help getting kills when they should be dead, experienced people like myself cant be bothered lying on the ground when we could be up helping the team.

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    i just use revenge, dont get it very often, but i refuse to use final stand. I can live without it just fine by not sucking.

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    I will fess up and admit I run martydom/DMH.

     

    I'm a decent player, but some nights the combination of lag + playing a rusher/zone holder in DZ can add up to some brutal death streaks (esp. when you mix in non objective playing QSers who pop you out of nowhere when you are working towards the objective).

     

    And at that point, at least I can contribute something to the team's efforts, especially if I rush into a held DZ and boom goes the dynamite!

     

    With DMH it's, I think, a six death streak?  That doesn't happen very often, but when it does, at least I get a little satisfaction out of taking such a beating.

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    actually for me it depends on my mood. If I am running into lots of quickscopers and akimbo/shotgun users that are camping I bring out my trolling and camper busting class.

     

    It's basically the striker, smaw, DMH and specialist.

     

    I know people hate DMH, but when you have a team thats dug in and your team mates are just feeding kills to them. which brings in the kill streak spam, then  DMH and the striker work very well,

    • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
      nickpeck36

      Yup!  I had a team that kept going after a jug on Foundation and we lost like 65 to low 20's lol.  I was the ONLY person not going after the jug and killing the other guys.  I wanted to just dashboard so bad but I didn't and just took the loss lol.

       

      Teams/people/games like that are the only time I even consider dumping out.  I like to have fun while I play and when you have a team of complete idiots like that, it's hard to have much fun and get anything accomplished.

       

      I don't get many deathstreaks either these days but I love DMH lol, I get killed from that even when I'm 200ft away, so I don't mind doing it to others

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

    I use Juiced, because I play objective game modes, and if I die so many times in a row to get juiced, say I am playing Domination. I can get back to the capture point quicker and maybe prevent it from being Captured. I dont have to worry about a MOAB cause if that happens it will be a miracle. Another thing I dont even notice dead mans hand ever. I dont get what all the fuss about. People on here ***** about it like it happens all the time. I never even notice it, but I do come across a lost of Last Stands. I think out of all the perks it is a garbage perk. No second chances in gun battles IMO

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    nicedrewishfela

    Final Stand/ Last Stand are the worst perks ever created in the CoD series. The only time it wasn't completely overpowered was in WaW, where only other Last Standers could revive them. The animation is terrible, and the fact that its the only death streak that can bring you back to life is completely ridiculous.

     

    I use revenge, myself, when I need it. I have to get the kill myself, not rely on a pathetic animation or the invincibility from standing to falling that Final Standers get. I am looking forward to the day when no form of this perk/streak exists in CoD. I have zero respect for anyone who uses this.

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
    atiredoldguy

      Think about it this way ...... whatever deathstreak you use, its a reward for getting dead ........   Thats something that cant be argued. You didnt deserve what you got.

     

    Simple.

     

     

        But no ................. we have people arguing about which reward for dying is least  ..... something. Least of a reward? Least noobish? Least dirty?

     

       Everyone goes on an occasional suckage streak .... myself included. Face it, deathstreaks are for people who suck occasionally ........... they are all equally noobish, unfair rewards for sucking.

     

        But this thread has opened up the discussion a little further than normal ................. the question is actually in front of us now as to which is most useful, to yourself or your team.

     

         revenge, juiced and hollow points all give a chance for a kill or more after you respawn. No help as far as killstreaks, but you can maybe get back into the hot spots quicker or easier.

     

     

        matyrdom and dmh give you a chance for a kill as you die ......... still no help for killstreaks, but the chance of a kill, or a multiple kill is pretty good. Personally, I think dmh is great for objective matches when your team just cant take an objective. Dmh helps clear a small area so it can be taken by your teammates. ....... also great against spawn trappers and campers

     

        final stand ........ well that probably has the most potential for help ......... but also the biggest gamble. In a heavy battle, a guy with fs doesnt stand much chance. But in some cases he could go on for that one killl needed for a good ksr, and even possibly several more kills for a big ksr.

     

     

       

     

     

       All noobish rewards for playing bad ...... all useful.

     

     

        I will throw one more thing at the noobish, reward for bad players that I've never heard meantioned.

     

        dmh, and martyrdom.  ...... you get a chance for a kill as you die. Once you die its over and you respawn like any other player. Its over.

     

       fs ........... you get a chance for a kill, and even a chance to live. But if you die, your dead and its over. You respawn like everyone else.

     

       juiced, revenge and hp on the other hand. You die and its not over. You hget nothing for the death but you get yor reward for being a bad player as you respawn ........ the reward has just begun and you respawn with an advantage over other players ..

     

     

        Now ........ which of those is most/leadt noobish?

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
    vims1990

    If I had choice of not using a deathstreak, I would.

     

    Considering that it's not an option, I stick to Juiced as it's really the only deathstreak I'd consider less frustrating for the opposing player.

     

    I don't believe in second chances, blowing up someone with a nuke or dropping a grenade.

    • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
      atiredoldguy

         ^^ .. that and that you can get it easier, so you can use it more often.

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      Well if you don't believe in second chances, do you blow yourself up or intentionally get shot if you take enough damage that the screen goes red?

       

      Isn't that a second chance?

       

      Do you stop shooting when the screen is flashing red when you've been shot?

      • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
        vims1990

        PeteyLew wrote:

         

        Well if you don't believe in second chances, do you blow yourself up or intentionally get shot if you take enough damage that the screen goes red?

         

        Isn't that a second chance?

         

        Do you stop shooting when the screen is flashing red when you've been shot?

         

        I was just talking about afterlife perks in COD bud.

        • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

          I understand, but the anology holds a little, doesn't it?

           

          In both cases you are "near death".

           

          In one, you can function normally and recover to full health.

           

          In the others, you either (a) blow up (DMH/Martydom) and die or (b) struggle on the ground to recover and then come back to full health.

           

           

          Just seeing where you draw the line on cheap "second chances".

           

          Because both are exaclty that... a second chance.

          • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
            vims1990

            PeteyLew wrote:

             

            I understand, but the anology holds a little, doesn't it?

             

            In both cases you are "near death".

             

            In one, you can function normally and recover to full health.

             

            In the others, you either (a) blow up (DMH/Martydom) and die or (b) struggle on the ground to recover and then come back to full health.

             

             

            Just seeing where you draw the line on cheap "second chances".

             

            Because both are exaclty that... a second chance.

             

            Ok, I think you're analysing my "second chance" post a bit too far.

             

            When I meant I don't believe in "second chances", I mean the crutches players need to get back on their feet without analysing their last death/s in the killcam.

             

            Whenever I'm having a bad run & I'm constantly "juiced", I ask myself:

             

            1) What am I doing wrong?

            2) Why do I keep going back for the payback kill?

            3) What alternatives do I have to attack the enemy, should I flank?

            4) Am I using the wrong class?

             

            To me, Final Stand or Dead Man's Hand is just a way for a player to gain a cheap kill off another bad decision.

             

            Deathstreaks in general don't help a player make the right decisions.

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

    i just use final stand for the prestige challenge. besides that i just use juiced.

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
    Noob_Lyncher

    I only use final stand so I have a chance of getting back up if a teammate kills the other guy before he finishes me. I wonder how many people use Revenge or Hollow Points?

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    hollow points are worthless in HC, revenge is useful. That said, people are basically admitting that they suck in this thread, lol

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    Snipingdbag

    Your point may be true, but the fact is that Final stand ruins a lot more moabs than it helps getting them as bad players get it 4 times per game at least in dom..

     

    I once had a game with 13 assists one off a moab. Final stand is BS. All deathstreaks should be removed imo, except for a spawn deathstreak to counter spawn killing

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    fisheadz

    im going to use my next token on dmh, its great. i play gw only an on smaller maps its getting annoying being spammed with shotguns an akimbo mps. if your gonna use bs im gonna blow you up. bigger maps i run final stand, gives me a chance to kill an maybe get back up, my aim is to kill more than i die

     

    personally id rather there were no deathstreaks but that goes for quickscoping akimbo mps an shotgun spamage as well

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    Final Stand is the ultimate TROLL, anyone that is using it is either on the wind up, or just bad at the game...

     

    OP, you cannot say that you are a decent player AND use FS. It's a contradiction in terms...

     

    It's like saying, "I am a great swimmer when I'm wearing inflatable arm bands"...

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    WKMMS

    I use juiced only.  I'd turn them off completely if I could.  Sure we all go on a bit of a bad streak occasionally, but I don't need any help to turn my game around.  I suppose what bugs me about Final Stand more than the other death streaks is the amount of times your team-mates will steal the kill from you.  That said, they're in the game, so gotta accept that and be prepared to be blop shotted or nuked every so often.

     

    I can't imagine anyone going on a death-streak like that to the point where they get final stand and then going on a MOAB streak immediately after, so I don't think it's really so beneficial for that purpose lol.

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    I use martyrdom always makes me giggle that someones daft enough to stand where they killed me! ok Kill confirmed they're probably after my tags. Did learn a valuable lesson on the HC kill comfirmed clan op though, don't usually play HC.....richocheted my entire team ........ don't use that anymore.....

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    azn_chic

    I usually use Juiced or Hollow Points...dont really know why I use hollow points as I play HC and it doesn't really make a difference though lol. last prestige I decided to try Dead Man's Hand, that sh*t was hillarious, can't believe some of the kills I got with that thing. But I really hate having to die to get a kill, that's just dumb, so I stopped using it lol

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

    juiced or revenge for me.

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
    BAMOZZY

    Personally I think ALL deathstreaks should be removed PERMANENTLY!!

     

    That being said we have NO choice about having NO deathstreaks attached and so have to pick one!

     

    Juiced:- If I have this attached it usually leads me to die quicker - I find it makes things more difficult to control and climbing over objects/through windows etc can be very awkward leading to increased deaths and having to put up with it for longer!

     

    Revenge:- Pretty pointless on the whole as I don't go chasing players - can also leave you being focused on the Map and specifically the one player and therefore miss others leading to increased deaths and the continued use of this deathstreak

     

    Final Stand:- Quite possibly the MOST overused and annoying of all - It would be so much better IF you didn't get the moment of Invincibility as you go into Final Stand. It is also the most encouraged as it offers XP, Titles and Emblems (some hidden) for using it (C4 last stand Kill)

     

    Martyrdom:- Not quite so common but is more so in Kill Confirmed and also offers a quickway to get payback with frag achievements as well as a title/emblem

     

    Dead Man's Hand:- Far too overpowered and is more controllable than Martyrdom. However it also likely to cause the most RAGE in the opposition (I refuse to use this on principal)

     

    Hollow Points:- Another of the pointless Deathstreaks. Extra damage for 1 kill

     

    If they have to remain in the game, I also think that they have the time awarded wrong

     

    4 Deaths - Revenge and Juiced

    5 Deaths - Hollow Points and Martyrdom

    6 Deaths - Last Stand and Dead Mans Hand

     

    This would at least be a bit more balanced!!!

     

    I think it is primarily down to the fact that you get a lot of awards and the opportunity of surviving without dying are the main reason why 'Last Stand' is the most used (you do get to stand up if you survive it - another award!)

     

    But like I said, I (and the majority of the CoD community) would prefer to see NO deathstreaks at all!!

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

    If a player is dying enough to get final stand/dead mans hand, chances are, they aren't getting a moab anyway.  I personally don't change my deathstreak from the default juiced because I get my deathstreak MAYBE once in 20 games.  I rarely even get juiced, so getting any higher ones would be even more rare.

     

    Wait, I believe I used martyrdom until I got a kill with it when the game first released so I could get the emblem/title.  But yea, that is about it.

    • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
      belly120

      i'm all about martyrdom, i'd like it to be always on lol but hey, when i get dropped enough to need it, it can give me a nice comeback which kciks my back into gear most matches i don't get it to be fair but when i do, a bit a vengenace is always satisfying especially the occasional double kill, or objective defence etc

      • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

        im i the only noncookiepuss here...

         

        never used any Death streaks besides Juiced because you have one enabled

        • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
          atiredoldguy

          iFCW wrote:

           

          im i the only noncookiepuss here...

           

          never used any Death streaks besides Juiced because you have one enabled

             Nope ........... you're still a cookiepuss.

           

             

             Anyone can say they only use juiced because its default but really use it because they like to run across the map and stab someone through a hail of bullets like the mlc guys in mw2.

           

             About the only way you can NOT be a cookiepuss is to use juiced and hold still from the time you spawn until the juiced timer runs out, use revenge and ignore the guy who just killed you, or use final stand and not fire your weapon. ............. The last one is questionable since you may survive.

           

             My suggestion is to just use whatever death streak you like. Everyone is going to call you out for it regardless. Have some nads and just use what you want or is helpful for your team.

  • Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand
    v0_FATALITY_0v

    Honestly, i don't use any deathstreak that robs someone a kill that is rightfully there's. So often i'll drop someone in final stand.DMH and the kill gets stolen or i end up dying on a good streak. Best example lately i was on a 21 streak with one of the default classes going for that moab, a guy spawned, i killed him and he dropped in DMH, killed me from 15+ feet away, buzzkill to say the least.