31 Replies Latest reply: Aug 1, 2012 3:48 AM by ReTouch RSS

Care packages need to be nerfed. - opinions?

So today i played two games of team deathmatch  with one guy who was using care packages. The first game he got a reaper and an assault drone from them. The second game he got an osprey gunner from one. These are very good assault pointstreaks that cost 9, 10 and 17 kills respectively.

In this game care packages are only 4 point streak. This could be achieved simply with 2 assists and 2 kills while using hardline pro and you could be rewarded with a 17 point streak. Is this fair to the people trying to get legitimate reapers and osprey gunners? no, not at all.

Even when you don't get an osprey gunner, you usually get a 5 assault streak (sentry gun, predator missile or IMS) which is more than it costs for a care package.

I think black ops had it right, though you could occasionally get attack dogs, you would usually end up with ammo, a spy plane or RC-XD. Plus it was a 5 killstreak in that game.

So, what do you guys think? Personally I think care packages should be a higher killstreak and it should be much more difficult to get high killstreaks in them. You should mainly get support streaks.

  • Re: Care packages need to be nerfed. - opinions?

    Care Packages are fine how they are. They are based on luck.

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    Jimmienoman

    I can see both sides of the argument.

     

    I used to UAV spam/ package with hard line. But have since moved on to the missile/chopper/reaper assualt streak as it took me 150+ hours in game to realize that non-package killstreak rewards count for kills. That is killer cause once you get one you can pretty much cycle through them at will.

     

    I am in no way a great player, but on good days it's not hard to go 5:1 or even 10:1 easily if you get your first 5 point streak early as you start to destroy them before they get their streaks. Especially if you are on an open map.

     

    Since then I have never looked back at the hard line/package days. I only use packages on SnD now.

     

    I will say it adds interest to the games. For myself, It always seemed to be weighted towards getting a UAV or one of the 5 point streaks. I could see them moving the package up to 5 or possibly 6 kills. But I think they keep it low to help out not so good players. It also sends a big red flare up saying "hey I'm right here" as it's not hard to know where a person is camping to get the package.  I've gotten many a kills because I picked off the initial person who got the killstreak and watched endless amounts of people run right to that package.

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    It's fine as it is, as if it didn't give you Predator Missiles and IMS's often enough.
    Plus, you had a very bad luck streak, and all of those pointstreaks can be brought down anyway.

    And unlike in Black Ops, you can't reroll your Care Package, so anything you want to switch out, you're stuck with.

    • Re: Care packages need to be nerfed. - opinions?
      kastro187420

      Mileslawlz96 wrote:

       

      It's fine as it is, as if it didn't give you Predator Missiles and IMS's often enough.
      Plus, you had a very bad luck streak, and all of those pointstreaks can be brought down anyway.

      And unlike in Black Ops, you can't reroll your Care Package, so anything you want to switch out, you're stuck with.

      This. I can't tell you the number of IMS's I've pulled from Care Packages, really annoying. If I'm really lucky, I can pull a reaper, but usually it's an IMS, Predator, or UAV. Assault Drones come once in a while, but aren't overly useful.

       

      In any event, Blind Eye Pro + LMGs tend to make short work of everything but an AC-130.

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    trialstardragon

    A CP is a random chance to get something good. It has been this way in every CoD that has had it. Players have always had the chance to get an uper KSR from a CP and that was the fun of using it and why teammates would tk in HC to steal them.

     

    The upper ksr are not just for those that think they are elite and get them with gun kills. KSR are not testaments to skill like some seem to think.

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      care packages should be takin out

      consider this what if your playing teamdeath match and ur team if winning by 2000-3000 points and someone on the enemy team gets an ac130 assualt drone or ospery gunner from an care package then they can easliy change the game around just because they got 3 or 4 kills without dying

      • Re: Care packages need to be nerfed. - opinions?
        kastro187420

        BombStarElite wrote:

         

        care packages should be takin out

        consider this what if your playing teamdeath match and ur team if winning by 2000-3000 points and someone on the enemy team gets an ac130 assualt drone or ospery gunner from an care package then they can easliy change the game around just because they got 3 or 4 kills without dying

        Only if your team doesn't shoot it down however. Just myself alone, I can take out Assault Drones and Osprey Gunners before any real damage is done. An AC-130 can be taken out if just one other person helps out. If someone is pulling 15-20 kills with any of those kill streaks, your team is doing something wrong.

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        trialstardragon

        They are meant to be possible game changers. And that is why they should stay. If your team does not take it out and lets the other team get the win because of it being up, that is your teams fault and not the CP or the player using the CP that got a high ksr in the CP.

         

        KSR are meant to be random game changers and coming form the CP it is meant to be even more random.

         

        NO match should be predictable ever. It is meant to be chaotic, with only a little chance of control.

         

        This is not BF3 where once one team starts to steamroll the other there is little that can be done to stop or change it back around.  You want that style of game play go play BF.

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    I think that CPs should drop things like Equipment refills, UAVs and Stinger Missiles to destroy enemy killstreaks with and shouldn't give high killstreaks out above the 10 mark.

    I also think that when someone else captures your CP and its a Pave Low, you should get the kills for it, or at least assists.

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    Shrydo

    I do think ammo needs added to the mix like BO

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    Xxace789xX

    To be honest, the MW3 care packages are the most balanced as they usually give out 3-6 assult rewards and the ones from Escort Airdrops usually give a random support reward or sentry gun or IMS. Black Ops, too often you would get ammo or the 3-4 killstreaks, same can be said for MW2.

    One fact about the MW3 CPs are they were originally going to have ammo drops included as well but for some reason, they decided against it.

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    I don't think they should be nerfed. I think they should be removed. A long with deathstreaks.

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    care packages are for people who suck and i think people could only get 7 kills and lower killstreaks from them

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    phxs72

    I think that CPs are fine as is.  The odds of getting a high killstreak reward are small.  I used to use them a lot when I first started playing and by getting the occasional higher killstreak reward, I not only learned how to use those higher rewards but it also encouraged me to work towards improving my gameplay to get them.  Not that I wouldn't have worked on my gameplay anyway but at least when I got better at playing I knew exactly which killstreaks that I wanted to run.  I consider CPs like training wheels for getting ready to run the bigger killstreaks.  Once people get better at the game they generally move on from them.

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    I Always get UAV's from care packages, I NEVER ONCE have gotten lucky

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    vileself

    The OP has some good points especially regarding the Black Ops CP. It does seem easier to obtain higher rewards from the MW3 CP yet it is easier to get than the Black Ops CP is.

     

    Im not a frequent user of the care package but I recall getting an Osprey Gunner once. Most of the time I remember either an IMS or a UAV and I think most would agree. The point of a care package is that you're taking a risk with that killstreak. Its like you're signing a contract that says "when I get 4 consecutive kills Im gonna let the game give me a random reward" Could be worth less or worth more than what you've achieved, but thats the gamble.

     

    The fact that the majority of the killstreaks are of higher value than the care package itself is the reason why people use the Care Package to begin with. A lot of people use Predator Missile because its a 99% certainty to at least one easy kill. Its that pre-notion in their mind that causes people to choose the killstreaks that they choose. They want the ones that will gain them the most kills. The ones who choose Care Package are aware that the majority of their rewards will basically average out to the worth of a 4 killstreak but every so often get rewarded with something great.

     

    Dont forget that Care Packages are up for grabs! The opposing team gets a warning that a Care Package is coming in and it's fair game when it lands.

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    featherman84

    Don't think CP's are OP most of the time I get a UAV or a bloody IMS.

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    whiteknight1902

    I dont think they are op when you can use a predator to get the higher kill streaks easily without much hassle.

    Should be like blackops where you have to earn the streaks, then you can ave care packs like that.

     

    So you so called good players can go do 1, its not skill at all to us streaks to get more streaks at all

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    nuttin2say

    Let me tell you a secret to working care packages.

     

    Set up UAV, Care Package and whatever other Assault Kill Streak reward you want.

     

    You will substantially increase the odds of getting that kill streak reward in your Care Package.

     

    I have no earthly reason why this is, but I can assure you that is the case. I'm ranked really high in Assault streaks used because, as someone else mentioned, I sometimes run the 3-4-5 set up on Assault streaks and use the Hardline perk.

     

    I first noticed this when I was working the IMS, Predator, and Sentry gun challenges. I've since tried it with every other Assault streak reward and it works. You still get other rewards in the CP, but the % of times you get the reward you have set above the CP goes up big time.

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      nuttin2say wrote:

       

      Let me tell you a secret to working care packages.

       

      Set up UAV, Care Package and whatever other Assault Kill Streak reward you want.

       

      You will substantially increase the odds of getting that kill streak reward in your Care Package.

       

      I have no earthly reason why this is, but I can assure you that is the case. I'm ranked really high in Assault streaks used because, as someone else mentioned, I sometimes run the 3-4-5 set up on Assault streaks and use the Hardline perk.

       

      I first noticed this when I was working the IMS, Predator, and Sentry gun challenges. I've since tried it with every other Assault streak reward and it works. You still get other rewards in the CP, but the % of times you get the reward you have set above the CP goes up big time.

      Hmm, I should test this out sometime and see if thats really true.

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        nuttin2say

        Apparently I'm not the only one that has noticed this. Here's a post from March noticing something odd about care packages ...

         

        http://community.callofduty.com/thread/200410706?start=0&tstart=0

         

        I've tried it with every Assault reward and it worked. Like I said, you'll still get other stuff, too, but mostly you will get the other reward.

         

        I've had some people really, really, really upset with me over it in the past. I don't run Care Packages much since I called in my 1000 of them. Comes in handy when you're trying to complete the prestige kill challenges ... 1000 kills with Sentry, 1000 kills with Predator, 1000 Precision Air Strike kills, etc.

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      nuttin2say wrote:

       

      Let me tell you a secret to working care packages.

       

      Set up UAV, Care Package and whatever other Assault Kill Streak reward you want.

       

      You will substantially increase the odds of getting that kill streak reward in your Care Package.

      I felt this was true in MW2.

       

      For a while, I ran with low streaks because they were easier to get.  My care packages were almost always UAV/CUAV.  The odds said that I should be getting them, but I was hardly getting anything else.  The combined odds of getting one of the Pave Low or higher streaks was greater than getting a CUAV, but I was getting both UAVs and CUAVs much more often.

       

      A friend picked high streaks, and got those exact high streak rewards at an unnatural rate.  Yes, it is all random, but you assign Pave Low to your kill streaks and immediately get two Care Package Pave Lows in the next match that you play?  He also wasn't pulling UAV/CUAV as often as I was.  He puts EMP, and pulls multiple EMPs in one night?

       

        But...  The problem is that it is random...  Some annectdotal evidence isn't really evidence.  People see patterns, even when patterns don't exist.  People remember the things that stand out to them, and forget or don't notice the rest.  (You remember the times you get an Attack Helicopter when you have Attack Helicopter selected, but don't remember the times you get a Harrier when you have Attack Helicopter selected.)  And while it is unlikely that you can roll a "six" on a die 20 times in a row, it is theoretically possible to do so.  And then you consider how many people played Modern Warfare 2, and realize a minority of people complaining about weird patterns is to be expected, because sheer randomness means a minority *are* going to be "unlucky" or "lucky".

       

      Maybe it is true that your streak selection affects care packages.  Maybe it isn't.  It isn't supposed to, but it is possible that the code is flawed.  Or it could just be the patterns we choose to see, or which random chance by nature bestows upon us.

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        nuttin2say

        I used the 3-4-5 combo earlier tonight for the Clan Op that was going on. UAV - Care Package - Predator.

         

        Unlike the past, I did not get as many predators as I did in the past using this set-up.

         

        But, oddly enough, I did get a high percentage of AC130s and Assault Drones. I think I may have gotten one or two Predators, as well. I got an Attack Helo and a Pavelow only once each. The Clan Op tonight was in Hard Core and, frankly, I've not played a lot of HC in the past so I was having a tough go in a few matches.

         

        I'm going to run the set up again when I get back on to try and see for certain if the Care Packages can still be manipulated as I did in the past.

         

        If it was a glitch they fixed, that's great. What's brought by the CP should be random. Personally, I don't mind at all that "weaker" players can call in high end rewards via the CP. The kills they get with those rewards count toward the kill challenges, but they do not count toward the useage challenges. So it is great you got 1000 kills with the AC130 ... but you got those through the Care Package, not by calling in AC130s directly.

         

        Plus, the guys that can easily call in high end rewards are more likely to be using those rewards to distract you ... and kill you personally rather than having the kill streak reward kill you. When the "weaker" players call in the rewards, it is much, much easier to shoot them down than when a guy that "earned" them calls them in.

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    THEDentisT

    used 3 4 5 tonight in the TDM clan op with hardline pro. Got 30 to 40  care packages and got 1 reaper, 1 attack chooper, and everything else under 5 killstreaks ( predator, IMS, counter UAV, and UAV)   How can u say that needs to be nerfed? If anything they need to be beefed up.

     

     

    I dont think the care package is random, if your doing bad it seems it gives you better killstreaks, but if your doing well you get absolutely nothing. Anyone else feel like this?