41 Replies Latest reply: Jun 7, 2013 3:15 AM by WKMMS RSS

Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.

icyzyon

UP = underpowered.

 

The assult shield. Tried it today. This thing is a piece of garbage. The only way you are going to kills with it, is by sneaking someone or if someone is stupid as heck.

 

I watched a few of the kill cams, they were shooting through the shield. Not my feet, not the window part but the actual shield part.

 

Why is this thing so bad compared to MW3's shield?

  • Re: Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.
    nicedrewishfela

    Or just not complaining at all.

     

    But yes... the Assault Shield isn't all that great. But I know people who are excellent with it, so maybe I am just using it wrong.

  • Re: Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.
    NoLifeKing29

    I was expecting maybe the Executioner or the S12, but the riot shield really isn't worth talking about. Could it be better? Sure. But even at its best, its almost always a free kill for the guy with a gun.

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    Webmaster4531

    You're using it wrong. Jumping into a randumb game with an Assault Shield is a terrible idea. Me and a couple of friends were destroying other teams with my shield master buddy. He takes point, tell us enemy positions, and we destroy.

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    TheSurgeon83

    If you're playing as a team a shield user can be a great distraction.

     

    For example I was keeping 4 enemy players occupied and while they were trying to take me out they weren't paying attention to my mate behind me who popped around the corner and got a quad feed.

     

    For the most part it is awful though, the worst death a shield user can have is when crouched someone knifes the air above your head and manages to kill you, free cam it in theatre for a true wtf moment.

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    ThatIdiot

    The shield is fine, the auto-aim and lock-on lunge with it are completely broken. I try to bash someone, I teleport through him and he puts a knife in my back...

     

    Also, I think the Vector is quite underpowered, compaired with the other SMG's. Higher recoil, smaller clip and shorter range than the MP7. No reason to take the Vector at all...

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      SitRepPro

      You have the recoil plots for the MP7 and the Vector to know this?

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        McGruunty

        The assault shield sucks because of lag compensation.

         

        A million people say they get killed through the sheild, which shouldn't be possible, but the reality is the person that killed you probobly moved to the side and shot you from a vulnerable angle, but on your screen, the guy is lined up center with the shield. At least, that's what I do to 100 % of the shield users I come up against. It's best used on your back anyway, the amount of times I got saved from being shot in the back are...several when I do this.

         

        As far as UNDERPOWERED weapons?

         

        I honestly think the MSMC got too nerfed, and isn't as good as any other SMG now. Other then that, I don't see any other gun being that underpowered.

         

        The QBB LSW is strong when used correctly, but is overshadowed by the Hammer in almost every field of play.

         

        To the guy talking about the Vector....you're using the gun wrong if you think that. With quickdraw and grip + whatever 3rd attachment you want you can just go full auto at almost every range and the reticule doesn't even move.

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    dweez1988

    Me and a buddy of mine used the shield for executioner bloodthirsty's.

    I would distract so he could easily blow people away with it.

    The shield is just bad for killing people with.

     

    Using it as a shield is very handy.

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    Err0r_6_Is_Back1_LOL

    id say Blind eye is very under powered.. it basicaly blocks 2 or 3 things.. HK.. stealth chopper, escort drone.. ( swarm if they can get one )

     

    it needs to block it all except dogs

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    xmrythem

    icyzyon wrote:

     

    UP = underpowered.

     

    The assult shield. Tried it today. This thing is a piece of garbage. The only way you are going to kills with it, is by sneaking someone or if someone is stupid as heck.

     

    I watched a few of the kill cams, they were shooting through the shield. Not my feet, not the window part but the actual shield part.

     

    Why is this thing so bad compared to MW3's shield?ha

    What do you expect? People to "not see you" as you sit in a corner? Be afraid of you as you crouch walk to them?

     

    Try some other tactics, like

    fast hands = shock charge

    fast hands + concussion or flash

     

    try doing this in HC since its 1 hit kills instead of 2.

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    Adam1234567893

    Great idea actually the problem with this game's weapon balance is that it's one of the worse Call of Duty's when it comes to weapon balance because the fact not all the guns are consistent pretty much you have really consistent guns SMGs being the most consistent so they are constantly being slammed by complainers calling them overpowered when the fact of the matter is the PDW is the only SMG that's even overpowered. Basically most of the guns are either too weak to compete or they aren't consistent enough so basically what Treyarch needs to do is buff any gun that get's out gunned even after getting the first 3 shots basically all the Assault Rifles except the Semi Automatic ones need to be buffed snipers need to have aim assist removed and Quickdraw added as for the LMGs they are consistent and strong like the SMGs so they can be left alone. The Assault Shield needs to be buffed so that you don't have to deploy it just to be successful. The launchers need a buff as well and the M1216 and S12 should get a damage buff at knife range. Pretty they need to either make the guns realisitic or at least consistent because they should never be inconsistent in this game because the fact this is an Arcade FPS.The buffing cycle ends eventually while the nerfing cycle is a never ending cycle.

    • Re: Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.
      WKMMS

      Adam1234567893 wrote:

       

      snipers need to have aim assist removed and Quickdraw added

      Snipers do not need to have quickdraw added.  ADS times on Snipers in this game are fine.  The DSR has the slowest ADS time and is still an absolute monster.  Decreasing the ADS time on that gun would make it waaaaaaaay too good. 

       

      The semi-auto snipers should have a very slight reduction in fire-rate, but the SVU should be buffed so it is one-shot-kill to the neck and above with a silencer.

       

      The Ballista.  I think there is a case that could be made for better damage multipliers to the stomach, when using the iron-sights.  You have to sacrifice a point from your pick 10 and a reduction in long-range capability to use the sights (which are not great). 

  • Re: Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.
    anahum

    Hard-Wired could do with doing something more

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    Redline Drifts

    UP would be basically all the special weapons: Assault shield, crossbow and ballistic knife.

     

    Ballistic knife has inferior knifing capabilities to any pistol+tacknife attatchment. The BK has a shorter lunge, longer recovery time and let's not forget when shooting the knife you appear on the mini-map. Complete waste of a CaC point.

     

    Crossbow basically only kills if you stick it to the person, so its basically a dyslexic sniper rifle. You also show up on the mini-map when firing it. Needs at least some sort of blast radius. Also a waste of a CaC point.

     

    As for the assault shield, I won't banter on about it because it's already been discussed.

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    deamonomic

    UP... my ability to glare enemies to death

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    ImTheCaTaLysT-

    There are so many guns that are really cool but could use a buff. To me the 2nd nerf to the PDW killed it, but whatever. I would like to see a buff in

    SMR (increase fire rate capabilities) (lower recoil)

    MTAR (increase damage)

    SCARH (lower recoil)

    M27 (Increase damage)

    Vector (Increase damage)

    XPR 50 (increase damage)

    SWAT (decreased delay between bursts)

    S12 & KSG (increased damage over range)

     

    The reason I put so many buffs in is because the game gets repetitive with the same tiers of weapons. everybody uses the M8, AN, FAL, MSMC, PDW. Imagine if th enew gun to use was the MTAR, or the Vector? It would be like a whole new game. It would give extra longevity (in my opinion) and force people who have been using the OP weapons to adapt to new situations. Meanwhile, the lesser used guns will be getting some use.

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      BryanNnned

      WTF? are you kidding me?

       

      SMR - if you increase fire rate and lower the recoil then whats the point of FAL? currently FAL has better fire rate, SMR has better range.

      MTAR - its already a 3 hit damage gun with fire rate higher than AN94.

      ScarH- range is extreamly long, it needs to be balanced thats why high recoil.

      M27 - increase damage? if its 3 hit kill, then it will be OP cause it has almost zero recoil. higher fire rate than an94

      vector - if increase damage it will kill faster than msmc pdw mp7 and skorpion, 3 hit kill at 900 rpm? this gun already has the lowest recoil among all SMG

      XPR - WTF INCREASE? ITS ALREADY A SEMI AUTOMATIC NOOB SNIPER FOR HARD SCOPER u want to increase damage like DSR?. then whats the point of DSR? btw dsr has the same damage, it has higher damage multiplyer at stomach.

      Swat - if the delay is short like m8a1 so why use m8a1 when swat already has long range damage?

      S12 - increase this? then why bother using R870 when its a pump action?

      KSG - wtf? range increase? might aswell put a thermal sight for sniping already.

      • Re: Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.
        ImTheCaTaLysT-

        BryanNnned wrote:

         

        WTF? are you kidding me?

         

        SMR - if you increase fire rate and lower the recoil then whats the point of FAL? currently FAL has better fire rate, SMR has better range.

        MTAR - its already a 3 hit damage gun with fire rate higher than AN94.

        ScarH- range is extreamly long, it needs to be balanced thats why high recoil.

        M27 - increase damage? if its 3 hit kill, then it will be OP cause it has almost zero recoil. higher fire rate than an94

        vector - if increase damage it will kill faster than msmc pdw mp7 and skorpion, 3 hit kill at 900 rpm? this gun already has the lowest recoil among all SMG

        XPR - WTF INCREASE? ITS ALREADY A SEMI AUTOMATIC NOOB SNIPER FOR HARD SCOPER u want to increase damage like DSR?. then whats the point of DSR? btw dsr has the same damage, it has higher damage multiplyer at stomach.

        Swat - if the delay is short like m8a1 so why use m8a1 when swat already has long range damage?

        S12 - increase this? then why bother using R870 when its a pump action?

        KSG - wtf? range increase? might aswell put a thermal sight for sniping already.

        Well, actually you pulled these damage calc's out of your butthole, I don't know where you got them. No AR's are a 3 hit kill to the body, (Besides falsmr) and all of them 3 shot to the head. The FAL and SMR can 2 shot to the upper chest at close range. let me explain the reasoning behind the buffs:

        SMR: There is no point to using it at its current state. It has the same specs as the FAL besides the increased range but the FAL 3 shots in pretty much all situations, yet you can fire it as fast as possible and the SMR has a fire cap.

         

        MTAR- It's a 4 shot kill. 2nd lowest fire rate. I don't see anyone using it in core.

         

        M27- Mostly a 5 shotter. It can't 3 shot at any range(besides headshot). It has no recoil but if it was a 4 shot at medium range it would see more use.

         

        Vector- It actually has the 4th best damage. The MSMC, Skorpion, and MP7 kill faster than it at all ranges. Again, its probably the worst smg. If it was a 4 shot it would be better.

         

        XPR- Nobody uses it. Really. I have 13 days played and i have been killed by it 7 times. Hardscopers use the SVU. Quickscopers the Ballista or DSR. I don't get your logic because in past games the Barret 50 cal had the highest damage but you could shoot it as fast as you wanted... The DSR is a showman's gun, its nice for trickshots but only really skilled players can use it.

         

        Swat- Its not like the M8 at all. It shoots 3 bullets, has moderate recoil, more damage, but less damage at medium range and more at long range.

         

        S12- Its again, not at all like the R870. The S12 takes 2 shots to the body upward of 7 meters. The R870 is pretty much a sniper rifle. The S12 should take 2 shots to kill up to 12 meters, not 7

         

        KSG- It shoots 1 bullet, for god's sake. Im tired of getting hitmarkers from 10 feet away when I could just use the 870 instead.

      • Re: Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.
        WKMMS

        BryanNnned wrote:

         

        WTF? are you kidding me?

         

        SMR - if you increase fire rate and lower the recoil then whats the point of FAL? currently FAL has better fire rate, SMR has better range.

        MTAR - its already a 3 hit damage gun with fire rate higher than AN94.

        ScarH- range is extreamly long, it needs to be balanced thats why high recoil.

        M27 - increase damage? if its 3 hit kill, then it will be OP cause it has almost zero recoil. higher fire rate than an94

        vector - if increase damage it will kill faster than msmc pdw mp7 and skorpion, 3 hit kill at 900 rpm? this gun already has the lowest recoil among all SMG

        XPR - WTF INCREASE? ITS ALREADY A SEMI AUTOMATIC NOOB SNIPER FOR HARD SCOPER u want to increase damage like DSR?. then whats the point of DSR? btw dsr has the same damage, it has higher damage multiplyer at stomach.

        Swat - if the delay is short like m8a1 so why use m8a1 when swat already has long range damage?

        S12 - increase this? then why bother using R870 when its a pump action?

        KSG - wtf? range increase? might aswell put a thermal sight for sniping already.

        ^ what he said!

  • Re: Instead of complaining about what is OP, how about what is UP.
    BrownTrousers73

    Riot shield needs a double buff. Buff that mother till it shines like a diamond. Fed up of getting shot straight through it like its made of poo poo. Buff this turd of a weapon!!!! Lol