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  • 15. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....

    Kastro187420 wrote:

     

    Platinumb wrote:

     


    Based off what I see everyday and what my friends on PSN say in their comments, I am pretty sure that Ghost is abused and is rarely used how it was intended to be. Even that one experienced player using Ghost will be a nuisance.

    I see why people rather use RC-XDs now. 



    That's what I don't understand.. how do you "abuse" Ghost? It hides you from the spy plane like its supposed to. That's like saying people abused "Cold Blooded" in MW2 to hide from the UAV and other air support. I could see if it was being exploited somehow to do something other than what it should... but it doesn't.

    I run Ghost on about 4 of my classes. The other one has Hardline, and another with Flak Jacket. Flak Jacket is for when my team sucks at holding the B Flag, and Hardline I use about every other match. Depending on the map, I'll run my stealth kit (yes, Ghost + Ninja + Silencer  ), or if there is air support, I'll run my Anti-Air Kit (which is Ghost + Strela-3). Then I just have a couple Ghost Classes for the sake of having. The only reason I don't use Lightweight is because I find it unnecessary, and Scavenger I don't use since I'm always moving around and will just pick up another enemy's weapon if I'm low on ammo.

    Anyway, kind of rambled there. The point I'm trying to make I guess is, I only see it used a little more than in previous games simply because of the lack of SP. But even then, the Spy Plane is still quite useful. Just imagine if instead, we Ghost Users started running a Counter Spy-Plane + Hardline. 2 Decent Players could keep you blinded the entire match just about.


    LW and Scav are another reason Ghost is like a default. Their Pros are less exciting to get (LW Pro needs to be more rewarding). I would probably let LW have the ability to Climb Faster to make it more useful.

    Ghost is abused but not exploited. I have many matches where 2-3 guys will just hide in buildings with their gun of choice and IGNORE all objectives just for a killstreak. I find it pretty annoying when this happens and my worthless team will forget right after they die that there is a guy camping by his claymore with Ghost on and is weilding a BK-74u.

    How you is using Ghost doesn't really bother me completely unless I have a Chopper Gunner that you decided to destroy right as I am coming out the door to rain hell on your team for another 2000 XP  .

    And C-Spy is what I use since reg Spy Plane is now just a waste.

    Sorry for the double post. I will post some time later since the site does not like me.
  • 16. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    You realize you are complaining about a perk countering a 3 Killstreak? Is Flak Jacket overpowered because you can survive almost any explosion? Of course not.

    Think back to MW2 (when customizable Killstreaks were first introduced), and you will remember how uncommon UAVs were. Hardly anyone used UAVs, but we still got by. Now in Black Ops, the Spy Plane is a very common Killstreak. You know what that means? The Community has become dependent on them.

    And if I recall correctly, didn't the Community want less emphasis on Killstreaks in Black Ops? Well, we got that, and now you guys are complaining about it. It's pitiful really.


    Ghost - Hidden from Spy Plane
    Ghost Pro - Hidden COMPLETELY from Sentry Guns and Attack Helicopters. No Red Diamond on Valkyrie Missiles, Chopper Gunners, and Gunships.

    I suppose it's time to start using Counter-Spy Planes, SAM Turrets, Napalm Strikes, Blackbirds, Rolling Thunders, and Attack Dogs.

  • 17. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    kastro187420

    Platinumb wrote:

     


    LW and Scav are another reason Ghost is like a default. Their Pros are less exciting to get (LW Pro needs to be more rewarding). I would probably let LW have the ability to Climb Faster to make it more useful.

    Ghost is abused but not exploited. I have many matches where 2-3 guys will just hide in buildings with their gun of choice and IGNORE all objectives just for a killstreak. I find it pretty annoying when this happens and my worthless team will forget right after they die that there is a guy camping by his claymore with Ghost on and is weilding a BK-74u.

    How you is using Ghost doesn't really bother me completely unless I have a Chopper Gunner that you decided to destroy right as I am coming out the door to rain hell on your team for another 2000 XP  .

    And C-Spy is what I use since reg Spy Plane is now just a waste.



    Its not so much that their Pro's are less useful/exciting, they just don't fit my play style. I used to run Scavenger on MW2 all the time. But we got a bit more ammo in this game to start with, and I've learned to just pick guns up, freeing up my choice a little bit. Lightweight, well, I'm not really a rusher so I don't need it.

    Odds are, if you end up with a Chopper Gunner in the same match as me, you better be on my team. Because it WILL go down, with or without Ghost  . I run the Sam Turret as my 4 Killstreak. Usually I run UAV/Sam/Napalm, sometimes switching out Napalm for the Mortar Team.
  • 18. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    Last night, I put Spy Planes to use with the Dragon Lady contract.

    But other than that, Spy Planes are okay.  They just can't detect Ghosters.  And I do admit that I've seen a lot of Ghosters in MP recently, and I don't know what the surge of Ghosters is all about.
  • 19. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    Tura Satana
    I run with ghost more than any other perk 1. Like someone else said - I don't feel comfortable without it when a spy plane is up. That said.. I also run spyplane.. ALWAYS.  I still find it useful and there are still usually atleast 3-4 blips on it. Sometimes less but thats ok. I just make a mental note and be extra careful.  It doesn't aggrivate me or nothing. Maybe I'm just used to it from playing a lot of Hardcore from World at War and am used to people always using camo.

    I will say this.. sometimes the spy plane in this game MISSES a blip. I thought it was happening sometimes, but I wasn't sure until the other day.  I was watching a single blip on the radar and it had refreshed twice and the guy was coming towards me. Then it refreshes again and the blip is gone. Thinking the guy is gone or whatever - I walk around the corner - and there he is. Still coming. Luckily I still killed him but I was pissed cuz it confirmed my suspicions that the spy plane sometimes misses a blip when it shouldn't. The guy was not wearing ghost.

    What bothers me about the guillie suits are that (especially on the snow stages) its hard to tell the difference between your teammates and enemies. Hell any of the uniforms on the snow stages its hard to differentiate. In hardcore this leads to a lot of teamkilling or times when I died because I hesitated thinking that person might be my teammate.
  • 20. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    MistaFab

    Platinumb wrote:

     

    Kastro187420 wrote:

     

    I don't really see the problem. I use the Spy Plane almost always, and typically see around 4 dots, if not more. Yes, there are sometimes less, but that's just because people aren't forced to choose between it and Stopping Power. On average, when I call in my spy plane, It works about as well as you'd expect for a 2-3 killstreak.

    I do agree about the Ghillie Suit thing though.. it'd be nice to know if I'm getting ready to rush a Sniper, or a guy with an AK74.


    Based off what I see everyday and what my friends on PSN say in their comments, I am pretty sure that Ghost is abused and is rarely used how it was intended to be. Even that one experienced player using Ghost will be a nuisance.

    I see why people rather use RC-XDs now. 



    and how is ghost supposed to be used? You can't abuse a passive perk like Ghost. Just because alot of people use it doesn't mean that it's being abused or not being used correctly. It's being used just as the developers intended
  • 21. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    mattbl
    My thread on this:

    http://community.callofduty.com/thread/100369680

    See page 5 for my latest reply involving ghost being overused/overpowered.
  • 22. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    Tura Satana
    Some of ya'll rely on the spy plane too much.. and this is coming from someone who never runs without it. The spy plane is not going to do all the work FOR you. You still have to be careful and expect the unexpected. I guess it WOULD be nice to know where EVERYONE is all the time. But tough titties. Sometimes you gotta be smart and use your own cunning to survive.
  • 23. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    ThatKidNamedJoey
    The issue with ghost is that you don't need to give anything up in return. In Call of duty 4 you had SP, jugg, and uav jammer.  If you used SP, you would show up on the radar when you enemy uav came up. If you used jugg or uav jammer, you would get uav invisibility or extra health at the expense of extra bullet damage. The same could be said about MW2, just substitute jugg with DC.

    Since all guns do the same base damage, you really aren't giving anything up when you use ghost. That is why there are so many ghost users. The only blue perk that seems to be equal to ghost in terms of usefulness is flak jacket. lightweight makes you go faster... really isn't all that useful in comparison to flak and ghost. Hardline makes it so that you get your kill streak one kill earlier. Again, I'd rather be able to be invisible or pretty much take random deaths out of the equation then get my killstreak one kill sooner. Scavenger has lost its usefulness with the extra ammo attachments that are on a lot of the smgs and ars(can't remember the name).
  • 24. Re: Spy Planes Are Useless....
    In response to the OP:

    I use ghost to combat the people like you that run around staring at the radar "dot hunting". Learn to develop your situational awareness instead of whining about a legit perk setup.

    You people would not believe how poor these "dot hunters" play when there radar is useless. On many occasions I've had people run in from behind me and just walk right past me because I'm not on their radar lol! It's so funny how Ghost+anything+hacker w/strella launcher makes you completely invisible to pretty much all the scrubs playing this game.

    THE most entertaining thing in this game by FAR is running an entire team with Ghost+hacker w/strella's, we demolished a bunch of tryhard AK74 nubs so hard the other day. Any Uav/air support they put up lasted no longer than 5 seconds, so much fun
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