44 Replies Latest reply: Dec 25, 2011 5:30 AM by IxBxCRIMxB RSS

Actisvison made MW3 multi player intentionally bad so they can sell future dlc

jessedart

in mw3 the majority of the guns were found in mw1 and mw2, all the way from pistols to sniper rifles.  They could at least of given us completly new weapons. 

 

Im beginning to think that this lack of innovation is deliberate.  They give us these crappy maps cos they know people will complain and say things like we want the maps from mw1 and mw2.  Then activision will release mw1 and mw2 map packs for mw3 which for them is pure profit as no/very little money has to be spent on designing new maps.

 

C'mon think about it, they collect all kind of stats, they know what kinda maps the majority people vote for and what maps the majority of people tend to vote against.  With all this data that they have collected from mw1, mw2 and blops why oh why would they release mw3 with such crappy maps.  My friends it is all a deliberate move by activision to part is from our cash.  They know how popular maps like shipment and nuketown were and we''ll probably see these maps or simular maps in a dlc.

 

I would even suspect that the reason they put the same guns in game after game is because the're probably toying with the idea of weapons dlc as part of some elite subscription package.

 

my point is that actision is a huge company, they dont just do things without proper planning and following a decision making purpose.

  • Re: Actisvison made MW3 multi player intentionally bad so they can sell future dlc

    Yeah, making money is usually the primary goal of any company out there. Gaming industry is serious business.

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      jessedart

      what im saying is the state of mw3 is deliberate, the lack of innovation is deliberate, the fact that quick scoping is still there is deliberate.  Lag compensation is deliberate, they'll probably soon offer dedicated servers for a fee.  (even though u can still lag on dedicated servers ala bf3)

       

      what most people think is incompetence by iw, sh, 3arc and acti is actually deliberate calculated business decisions.

       

      Get people so pissed with the lag and then offer them dedicated servers with a subscription fee. Its the the good old hegelian dialectic in action: create a problem and offer a solution.

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        Yeah, I totally agree. But I don't hate them for it. They're making millions off of their dedicated fans when they release old maps as DLC. It's totally lazy. But its smart at the same time haha

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        Lol conspiracy theory much?

         

        One problem with your premise.  If the game is horrible why would anyone buy DLC?

         

        Not to mention that they Pre-Sold DLC buy people buying elite/ hardened edition.

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          jessedart

          The game isnt horrible, its a good game, if we wernt already used to mw1 and mw2 then this would be a ground breaking game.  The game is good, but they are diliberatly not making it better like it should be.

           

          They are setting us up for subscription fees.  They are well aware of the issues that plagued mw2 and blops and they have repeated in mw3, same guns from mw1 (2007), they know how lag compensation affected player in blops.  Do you really think acti will do something to discourage underage kids enjoying their game, those underage kids are probably their target market or make up a good size percentile of their customer base.

           

          dont be suprised if the next COD is a subscrription based, cloud gaming affair, all this elite stuff is just acti testing the waters.

           

          they know the maps on mw3 suck, they analyse all the stats about map voting patterns, no doubt map packs are on there if they arnt already on the disk...weapons dlc will be the next thing they are considering. 

           

          You telling me that during the brain storming meetings at IW/acti nobody said "we need more new weapons" ??? "we cant give ppl the same guns from cod4".

           

          Think about it, if they released a weapons dlc, with new weapons, new challenges wud you not get that dlc and it wod not be difficult for them to differenciate between who has the dlc and who dosnt so that ppl who dont have the dlc cannot pickup the dlc only weapons

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        sweatyclam

        You're probably right that a lot of the issues you discussed are deliberate and yes it is to make money, but I think you're looking to deep into it.

         

        I think it was all down to time, they didn't have enough time to re-do the game because of the ownership problems connecting to the action taken against them, so they have tried to give the fans what they want from an engine that was just about the only good thing about MW2.

         

        They actually stated they left quickscoping in as they feel it is now a feature of the game, not one that I agree with, but at least they told us before release, so if you didn't like it you did not have to buy it.

         

        As for the lag, well, players used to complain a lot about the advantage the host got in COD's and they tried to get rid of this in Blk Op's, unsuccessfully in my opinion and messed up the connectivity side beyond repair, I fear the same may have happened here, so in this case not deliberate.

         

        Another problem was the guys that left IW were the ones with the vision, without them and short of time they did what they could with what they had.

         

        Personally, maybe they should have delayed the release, but then all the unhappy fans expecting a release would have cried and Activision would have lost a ton of money.

         

        Most game companies now release and repair later, not something I agree with, but it seems to be the industry standard now.

         

        The real question is though, would this game have benefitted from a more open Beta?

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          sweatyclam wrote:

           

           

           

          As for the lag, well, players used to complain a lot about the advantage the host got in COD's and they tried to get rid of this in Blk Op's, unsuccessfully in my opinion and messed up the connectivity side beyond repair, I fear the same may have happened here, so in this case not deliberate.

           

          Another problem was the guys that left IW were the ones with the vision, without them and short of time they did what they could with what they had.

           

          Personally, maybe they should have delayed the release, but then all the unhappy fans expecting a release would have cried and Activision would have lost a ton of money.

           

          Most game companies now release and repair later, not something I agree with, but it seems to be the industry standard now.

           

          The real question is though, would this game have benefitted from a more open Beta?

          you got it.. its the deliberate time frame they give... the players dont demand a game every november... they set the release because they are getting used to a huge influx of cash for year end... they had all the legal issues etc yet never once considered delaying it..

           

          why delay a game millions have already given you the cash for? especially to a customer base that seems to forget its own boycotts and petitions every year to buy the new title.. lol

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            sweatyclam

            They don't demand, they expect, but like I said it's a good solid engine, all of MW2's main issues were down to the balancing.

             

            The main drawback with this engine is the hackers know it, time will tell, but I don't think IW will let this game become the joke that was MW2, they have already dealt with some issues already - although I suspect they knew about them before release.

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            jessedart

            I agree with what you said about the time frames and release dates, but I think this is coming from the top dogs at acti, who inturn are told what to do by the share holders who are probably large investment banks and other financial institutions who only care that the MW brand makes more money every year.

             

            despite the fact that west and co left IW, that is no excuse for such few new weapons, onlly 1 choice of semi auto assualt rifle!! only 2 burst fire weapons..one of which (m16) was in cod4,mw2 and blops

             

            how many arms manufacturers would love their products in a game as popular as MW, all that advertising.  Even the type 95 is a dead ringer for the famas from mw2.

             

            I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but the top dogs at acti are financiers not gamers or developers, their goal is long term profit milking from the MW/COD brand.  They already have a dedicated customer base who will gladly spend billions every novemember, now they just need a few more ways to milk the people even more.

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    jessedart wrote:

     

    in mw3 the majority of the guns were found in mw1 and mw2, all the way from pistols to sniper rifles.  They could at least of given us completly new weapons. 

     

    Im beginning to think that this lack of innovation is deliberate.  They give us these crappy maps cos they know people will complain and say things like we want the maps from mw1 and mw2.  Then activision will release mw1 and mw2 map packs for mw3 which for them is pure profit as no/very little money has to be spent on designing new maps.

     

    C'mon think about it, they collect all kind of stats, they know what kinda maps the majority people vote for and what maps the majority of people tend to vote against.  With all this data that they have collected from mw1, mw2 and blops why oh why would they release mw3 with such crappy maps.  My friends it is all a deliberate move by activision to part is from our cash.  They know how popular maps like shipment and nuketown were and we''ll probably see these maps or simular maps in a dlc.

     

    I would even suspect that the reason they put the same guns in game after game is because the're probably toying with the idea of weapons dlc as part of some elite subscription package.

     

    my point is that actision is a huge company, they dont just do things without proper planning and following a decision making purpose.

     

    Can you preface this by saying "my theory"

     

    And where do you get this crap from? And why does it smell so bad?

  • Re: Actisvison made MW3 multi player intentionally bad so they can sell future dlc

    You know what? I thought something like this was going on at first, because I figured there is no way in hell anyone could f**k up as bad as they did, but the more I think about it, the more it's becoming apparent they are just completely incompetent.

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      jessedart

      do you see how acti have a special contract with microsoft meaning that only xbox can advertise MW and ps3 sony cannot advertise MW with ps3's

       

      Do you think activsion are not in talks with major ISP's about providing a specialist internet package for  COD gamers...this is how big companies think..they explore every potencial money maing idea.

       

      when we're all paying our 15 per month for lag free gaming, remember where u read it 1st lol.

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        sweatyclam

        Shhh, don't give them any idea's.......

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        you are right... video gaming has become huge business... you think the board at Activision has ever touched a game console? they arent even their own company!

         

        Activision is owned by vivendi... its a HUGE media corperation with billions in revenue... french too (insert french joke here..lol)

         

        money is all that matters... flawless games cost money.. so they weigh the options... is it worth spending 2x the investment for maybe a 20% increase in sales? nope. so it aint happening..

         

        i use a familiar story... my beloved Toronto Maple Leafs... for over a decade, they have been critizied for charging an arm and a leg for tickets and making the most money by far of any NHL team... yet never paid for the big name players to win the championship.. why?

         

        they are owned by the ontario teachers pension fund.... their entire job is to make money for its investors... winning championships doesnt factor in... as long as the leafs makes mountains of money, they see no need to spend more money.. its a genius business move, but leaf fans suffer..

         

        the same goes here.... as long as they keep breaking records every year with COD, they will never see a reason it needs improving... in fact i think they are proving they can cut costs futher and still maintain sales... the industry isnt run by gamers anymore, there is no pride in their work... cookie cutter games year after year because thats the highest profit margin.

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          I understand this concept, and I agree 100% that that's probably what's happening. However, they must realize that once the product starts to decline, so will sales. I mean, if they keep this up, then sooner or later even the blind sheep who buy the game solely because it had CoD stamped on it will stop buying the games.

           

          I know I won't be buying anymore CoD games. I barely bought this one, because Black Ops sucked so much with the lag, but this is the final straw. I think other people probably feel the same way.

           

          Honestly, if the next CoD game still sells out like hot cakes, then there is seriously something wrong with people, and the problem is in deed bigger than just the game itself.

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            agree 100%

             

            i played the crap out of BO but usually frustrated by the same hit detection issues here... only bought MW3 because it wasnt made by Treyarch...lol... MW2 played great so i was hoping for the same...

             

            didnt get it.. and wont buy another cod title until i see the issues are resolved first...

             

            when sales decline, THAT is when they will do something and not a minute sooner.. why would they?

             

            JohnnySasaki21 wrote:

             

            Honestly, if the next CoD game still sells out like hot cakes, then there is seriously something wrong with people, and the problem is in deed bigger than just the game itself.

             

            couldnt agree more.. but i fear thats what will happen... we are in the fanboy generation... when we started playing games, we wouldnt think twice about dropping a franchise if it started to suck.... now its like they can do no wrong because they have A-List celebrities in their ads...

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      a.d.p.alien

      I think D.L.C. maps are'nt going to improve anything except for the hackers.This game is excatlly like M.W. 2 is now and I stopped playing months ago because of it. If  unranked is the way to go,then I have yet to find a decent Server,still searching.

  • Re: Actisvison made MW3 multi player intentionally bad so they can sell future dlc

    When are the retards going to realise,

    nobody that makes Call of Duty, works for Activision anymore?

    They don't know how to make the game, end of story.

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    maccabi

    jessedart wrote:

     

    in mw3 the majority of the guns were found in mw1 and mw2, all the way from pistols to sniper rifles.  They could at least of given us completly new weapons. 

     

    Im beginning to think that this lack of innovation is deliberate.  They give us these crappy maps cos they know people will complain and say things like we want the maps from mw1 and mw2.  Then activision will release mw1 and mw2 map packs for mw3 which for them is pure profit as no/very little money has to be spent on designing new maps.

     

    C'mon think about it, they collect all kind of stats, they know what kinda maps the majority people vote for and what maps the majority of people tend to vote against.  With all this data that they have collected from mw1, mw2 and blops why oh why would they release mw3 with such crappy maps.  My friends it is all a deliberate move by activision to part is from our cash.  They know how popular maps like shipment and nuketown were and we''ll probably see these maps or simular maps in a dlc.

     

    I would even suspect that the reason they put the same guns in game after game is because the're probably toying with the idea of weapons dlc as part of some elite subscription package.

     

    my point is that actision is a huge company, they dont just do things without proper planning and following a decision making purpose.

     

     

    wow this is even more moronic than your earlier thread blaming sledgehammer for mp being bad.

     

    could i suggest you quit (i wont while your ahead) as its plainly obvious the mountian just lapped you

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    This is why I bought the hardened edition.

     

    I got my griping out of the way early and a got a discount for this DLC to "unbreak" my game.

     

    ...Problem?

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    Moon Head 92

    If you can't even spell Activision correctly just stop posting.

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    Moon Head 92

    Also i'll let you in on a little secret... Activision didn't make the game, they just publish it, see the key word... PUBLISH.

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    as far as the adding new weapons goes its kinda hard to... this is modern warfare not ghost recon, being a US soldier ive trained with alot of the weapons in the game, honestly theres not much more out there to have in the game, and alot of the weapons in the game are still very experimental, like the trophy system.. they got that wayy wrong it is designed to block cell phone signaled IEDs not grenades and rockets. the M4A1 does not look like it does in this game and no matter how much they want it to be. its not fully automatic, idk FPS i think are finally at there end.

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    gallp13

    "an elephant is a microwave...."

     

    Annoying Orange

  • Re: Actisvison made MW3 multi player intentionally bad so they can sell future dlc

    What good is selling some cheap DLC if you lose hundreds of thousands if not millions of buyers on your next game??? Derp Derp Derp...

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    coux73

    So... let me get this straight.  They purposely spent a lot of money and a lot of time developing a purposely mediocre game just to to make money off of DLC?  o.O

     

    I love conspiracy theories.  They always tell a more interesting story than the truth, and never bear the burden of proof. 

  • Re: Actisvison made MW3 multi player intentionally bad so they can sell future dlc

    If they didn't at least make it somewhat similar then people would ***** and say it was too different. Also pal, out of 6 snipers 4 are new. Last but not least, sell your copy and go play Battlefield then instead of coming here and ********.

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    crunchy1X

    they know what kinda maps the majority people vote for and what maps the majority of people tend to vote against.

    They sure do. And I'm guessing that all of the "over voting" for Nuketown in Black Ops combined with the constant requests to make the Nuketown 24/7 playlist permanent certainly played a part in the average map size of the maps released in MW3.

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    I don't think it was deliberate but in fact a complete pooch screw caused by CoD XP. I think it was released prior to completion and the devs were behind schedule. Look at it this way:

     

    Elite is still unfinished

    The maps had to be made by Raven (or they helped out is what they said)

    The Elite founder camo is basically the same as snake

    The titles and emblems are the same

    The challenges are not too far off

    The lethal and tactical had equipment jammed into them

    Three patches already

    Theater mode isn't finished or at least optimized like they said it would be

     

    The list goes on. I personally think they just fell behind and are trying to catch up now.

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    One thing I hate about these sorts of comments. It's a sequel. It's not a brand new game, so it should play like its predecessor. It should have more similarities than not. So most of the weapons in the previous game should be in the new one.

     

    MW3 is a great game, sure it has a few bugs that need fixing, lag, losing stats. However the game as a whole is awesome.

     

    All the BF fanboys complain saying MW3 is MW2.5. What does that make BF3? BF2.5? Absolutely pointless comments.

     

    Sequels are the same but upgraded. Exactly what they did. MW3 took the best of 1 and 2 and made it into a great game.

     

    FYI I like the maps. That's your opinion they suck and if you hate them so much, you don't really need to play it.