28 Replies Latest reply: Apr 11, 2012 11:00 AM by Gerbera_Kai RSS

For people who hate support come here and tell me what they should get rid off

redx165

To me they should get rid of all of the Support. Like if you get 1 kill and 5 deaths and repeat to get a UAV. That shouldnt be how to get it, thats why more people use Assassin. The other thing i hate about Support is how long a EMP is. Domination is always having atleast 2 or more emps a game. But tell me what you think about Support and if they should remove somethings or just take it out.

 

~THE NOOB KILLER

  • Re: For people who hate support come here and tell me what they should get rid off

    There should be no support. Its the wellfare system for sh!t players. It should have been seperated as support was taking out killstreaks, capping an objective and kills. Assault should have been only kills. Both should get reset when you die.

     

    Also take out Death streaks.

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      rlbl

      That is an interesting idea... take out the good things out of support and make them assault choices. Then leave a few things in support (which a player does not choose) and they get them for taking down air suport and capping flags etc.

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      vims1990

      thisguygotcha wrote:

       

      There should be no support. Its the wellfare system for sh!t players. It should have been seperated as support was taking out killstreaks, capping an objective and kills. Assault should have been only kills. Both should get reset when you die.

       

      Also take out Death streaks.

       

      Agreed on switching some of the support streaks such as the Stealth Bomber, Juggernaut Recon & Remote Sentry into Assault package & of course removing deathstreaks

       

      BUT...

       

      I disagree that objective play should NOT be rewarded a pointstreak using the ASSAULT/SPECIALIST package.

       

      I play Domination & use the Assault/Specialist package (rarely use Support). I can be both a slayer & objective player as well. I also carry a Stinger rather than using akimbo FMG 9's

       

      Shouldn't I be rewarded for taking out those spammed support UAV's, capping flags etc with assault pointstreaks?...or am I to you a sh*t player?

       

      We should encourage more teamwork by giving pointstreaks to those assisting the team with taking down enemy air support & playing the objective.

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    ghamorra

    Scrap the whole thing and start over

     

    5k) UAV
    8k) Airdrop Trap or CUAV
    11k) Ballistics vest or SAM Turret
    13k) Ammo crate or Recon Drone
    16k) Advanced UAV (everyone) or Emergency Airdrop
    19k) EMP or Unnamed (everyone gets +1 to pointstreak)

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    I think the general idea was good, but the main problem isn't really that "bad" players can get decent things easier (as I mention in other discussions, with those players, EMPs and Stealth Bombers rarely come until 3/4 of the way through matches where they're not exactly game-changers unless the score is really close), but the fact that "better" players can easily take advantage of how the system works because it doesn't reset when they die.

     

     

    My take is that if they were going to change how it works, then only the Support Killstreaks up to 10 would NOT reset if you die. So UAV, CUAV, Ballistic Vests, Airdrop Trap, SAM Turret, and Recon Drone would be safe and work like usual. So if you get 9 kills and then die, you'll still just need 1 more for the Recon Drone.

     

    Everything higher would be like Assault Killstreaks and need to be gotten in a row. So Advanced UAV, Remote Sentry, Stealth Bomber, EMP, Juggernaut Recon, and Escort Airdrop would fall under here. So like before, if you get 9 kills and then die, your overall count WILL reset and you will still have to get 11+ kills in a row to get one of the mentioned Killstreaks rather than just 2+.

     

    So basically, it'd be half and half.

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    RAMBONER

    Emp doesnt bother me.  I actually like not having crosshairs it makes the screen look better.  Uavs dont bother me.  Recon drone is a pain in the ass but its fine.

     

    What fuckin pisses me off is the dam Stealth strike.  In dom it is huge and its more powerful then everything up to the pave low and even better then that sometimes.  Its **** and should be a 10 point assault streak.  Id use it instead of AH6 or attack heli and Id take it over a reaper as I can hit it and keep playing.

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    rlbl

    I liked the idea where your killstreaks drop by 1 every time you die.

     

    So if you are on a 9 killstreak and you die, you spawn at 8.  If your game goes to crap and you die 3 more times before getting a kill, you start at 5 on the next respawn and have to work your way back up (but do not automatically get those kill streaks back)

     

    E.g. player selects 3-5-9 as their support streaks

    player gets 4 kills so they got their 1st choice, and then dies

    respawns and dies befiore getting another kill (support streak drops to 2)

    Respawns gets a kill (no reward)

    Gets another kill (no reward)

    gets another kill, earns 2nd choice support streak and dies

    goes on a 5 death streak

    Now has to get 9 kills without dying (or combo deaths/kills) to get their next prize

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    avengedyesterday

    All killstreaks should be earned. You die you lose them, also your killstreaks should not chain into others. It just turned call of duty back into a giant spam of killstreaks every single game.

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    esmorgue

    There shouldnt any reward if you die.

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    monkeylord

    Yeah lets go back to MW2 where if someone gets lucky and comes across you while taking out helis or whatever else is up there which on these small maps is almost a certainty your kills are reset. The support streak makes sure you're not punished for (as the name suggests) supporting your team.

    Also there is the question of lag if your on the wrong side of that coin no way are you going to string together enough kills to put anything decent up.

    Finally there is an assumption that people who use support can't get assualt streaks which is faulty logic at best some people just find the support streak matches there gamestyle better i've got about 200 of the most assualt streaks used emblems (i'm about 300th in the world for support streaks) but don't really care for them.

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    There's also how a bunch of the Support Killstreaks, not just the Stealth Bomber, are harder to take out than Assault with few exceptions (or at least are foolishly ignored at times). A bunch of Assault Killstreaks are bigger and/or flashier to some degree, thus much more noticeable. However, Support is, also outside of some exceptions, usually smaller and more subtle.

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    dastealth

    Perhaps as said earlier support should be passive killstreaks that only count up if you take out other killstreaks or complete objectives.

     

    5 points = UAV

    7 points = CUAV

    9 points = Balistic Vests

     

    Once you have earned all three rewards it resets back.

    This is available to all players and does not count towards the assault killstreak tier.

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    Snipingdbag

    They should make it so you need to stack kills / point streak to activate a potential support streak, you can die but it takes some extra time / effort to get them since getting 1 point streak while immediately dying wouldn’t count towards your potential support streak anymore. Every 2 plus streak counts. Hardline would counter this and see more use of hardline instead of assassin, much like for the specialist package.

     

    Say you want a stealth bomber. You are not using hardline, you would need to at least get 7 times a 2 point streak, to get it. A good player would get it after say a 8 point streak and 6 in a row., The better you are the faster you get your support streaks.

     

    So you need to stay alive for least at a 2 point streak for the streak to start counting. Now you can get them by simply getting 14 point streak whenever throughout a game. It should be easier to get them (promoting active play), but not as easy as it’s now.

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    DaveDiamond

    The only issue I have with Support is that it is available in FFA !!

     

    You are just supporting YOURSELF !!!!!

     

    F*ckin Stupid !

     

     

     

    Dave

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    Thesandman

    If its called support,it should only provide perks that can support your team and should not include anything that can kill (remote sentry and Stealth bomber). At most it should contain a 3-5-7 system of UAV CUAV and maybe a sam turret.

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      Both of them do actually support the team.

       

      Remote Sentry is used to help defend a certain area, usually a chokepoint, which will allow your teammates to push forward down another path as that one is covered by the Remote Sentry, and allow them to outflank or simply take advantage of thinner defenses down the other path.

       

      Stealth Bomber, as I pointed out a lot already in a bunch of discussions about it, only doesn't seem like it because people try to use it like an Assault Killstreak (and it's usually more experienced players taking advantage of it, NOT "bad players" like people like to believe). The main point is to clear out a pathway for your teammates to push forward through. Whether it be through killing the people down that path or, the more likely scenario (unless the enemy team is stupid, which will usually be why otherwise), forcing them to clear away so they don't get killed by it. Even if they don't get killed by it, chances are that the super-concussive effects of the bomb run will affect them, heavily disorienting them for a couple seconds and making them vulnerable for your now-rushing teammeates to take out.

       

      Again and again, "support" does not, nor should it, automatically mean "non-lethal". Should consider it lucky that the Support Killstreaks ONLY have 4  lethal Killstreaks (Remote Sentry, Stealth Bomber, Juggernaut Recon, and Escort Airdrop) out of them all, but they're still not meant to be used to bolster your own kill count, but to support the team in some way, thus they fit perfectly fine under support. This is unlike Assault, where the purpose is meant to get more and more kills for yourself. In the end, it comes down to how the player chooses to use them though. One could easily use that Assault Killstreak to cover their teammates to push through and one could use that Stealth Bomber simply to try to kill people.

       

      So one can't definitely say something should be one thing or the other.

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    RAMBONER

    Was playing with another guy from the forum the other day whos my buddy and we ended up in a lobby where the other team was playing like ********.  All akimbo, all running support etc. so we (3 of us) switched to support and it was ridiculous.  He got 4 emps and I got 3 with the 7 stealth strikes that came before them.

     

    The other team was already using them so pretty much the entire game was emp'd for both teams with non stop stealth strikes.  It was kind of funny for a minute but got old quick. 

     

    I agree with the above that its the good players taking advantage of it.  Hell If I can get 3 and good guys can get 4 or 5 thats the entire game of stopping the other team from using any equipment.

     

    Not to mention maps like iterchange in dominationo the stealth strike is vicious and I would take it over anything up to pavelow..

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      That's what I mean, the only way a Stealth Bomber can get "spammed" and "constantly" get multi-kills is a combination of it involving a team of all good/experienced players taking advantage of how the Support system works against a team of noob/less experienced/foolish/etc players who end up setting themselves up to be in perfect alignment for such a bomb run to wreck them (and not moving right when it's called in). I see it quite constantly in Village when such teams camp up in the corner hill and a Stealth Bomber just plows them all into the ground and nobody moves a muscle when it's called in.

       

      If it were a team of average or less players, chances are that you won't see any Stealth Bombers until the match is about halfway, or even almost completely over, in which case, their usage should not cause that huge an impact against such a team of more experienced players. And if the less experienced players do still manage to spam them somehow AND able to get a good chunk of kills doing so, then the blame falls squarely on the more experienced team for allowing them to get all those kills and setting themselves up in the first place, not the Stealth Bomber's for doing its job.

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    remote sentry is better then the sentry gun so get rid of that

    get rid of the stealth bomber

    make emp 25 point streak im sick and tired of getting emp'd 5 times in a row with a pavelow or ac130 on deck

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      You do also remember that the Remote Sentry...


      1.) Still requires 12 kills to get.

       

      2.) Does slightly less damage than the regular Sentry Gun and, from my experience, takes less damage too, so easier to shoot out.

       

      3.) Requires you to actually stay in one spot and use it, and can't simply be left and forgotten like the regular Sentry Gun.

       

      Stealth Bomber I've already covered and the EMP can fall under that discussion too; it's not the killstreaks themselves, but the more experienced players taking advantage of the system.

       

      I always proposed that if the system were to be changed, then only the Killstreaks up to 11 could remain unchanged (UAV to AUAV) while 12+ (Remote Sentry to Escort Airdrop) would be more Assault-style.

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    SheSaidNo

    Well I like the variety of switching between Assault and Support.  It's just another option to choose from that everyone has access to.  For me the more options, the better. 

     

    Complaining about a stealth or EMP is like complaining about the FMGs.  And we've seen what that's gotten us.  More people running around with FMGs...

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    only two things emp and stealth bomber how fair is it if a guy with 18-18 takes out a guys osprey gunner who is 17-0

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    Thesandman

    There is a difference in getting 12 kills for a remote sentry and getting 12 kills for a pavelow. Thats why i think the RS or SB should not be in support.

    The fact is that s**t players get rewarded with lethal killstreaks,whilst i have to get 12 kills with no deaths for my AC or Pavelow.

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      rlbl

      yeah it seriously does not seem fair...

       

      I still think that if a reset on support streaks is too harsh, there should be at least a 1:1 hit for dying. like if you had 11 kills and died, you respawn with 10, so you have to go on a 2 killstreak to get to 12.

       

      Like someone above posted, how is it fair that someone who goes 18-18 can knock everything out of the sky (like an ospray that required the person to go 17-0*)

       

      * 17-0 is really not accurate as killstreaks stack (but they could have gone 17-0 all guns), but the point is the same. they still had to go X-0

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      When you consider how powerful the Pave Low and AC-130 is by themselves compared to the Remote Sentry...that kind of speaks for itself...

       

      And again, it's NOT "bad players" that tend to get the stuff so much, but the better players simply taking advantage fo the system that manage to get them "easily". Against a team of "bad players", the chances of Stealth Bombers, EMPs, etc from them is very slim and if they do get them, especially constantly, then the only ones to blame are yourself and your team for allowing them to do so in the first place.

       

      Seriously, the whole "bad players" thought process is ridiculous (as is the "Support = non-lethal" thinking). It MAY happen once in a long while, but if they're truly "bad players", then it SHOULD NOT happen so much. If it does, perhaps one should re-evaluate their own supposed "skill" first.

       

      And no, I only use Support on my Sniper-class, which is my least used class of all. All the others are Assault or Specialist themselves, so I'm not a Support-lover.