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Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)

ghamorra

This conversation is being brought back from the dead due to the overwhelming amount of people who spread false information about lag and lag compensation. Please read the entire article, if you feel the information is wrong or inaccurate comment below.

 

What is Lag?

For those of you who don't know what lag is or you do not fully understand it here's a brief explanation:
Imagine you are playing a game of TDM. You are sniping and have a man in your sites as he runs across the map. Your crosshair is directly on his chest. You fire, but nothing happens. No hit marker or anything. It's a clean miss. How does this happen.

As an individual player you are playing on your own map by yourself essentially, as is everyone else in your lobby. The host player is the one who communicates where everyone is in their own game and translates that onto your map. Thus making it appear they are right there with you. The host is the central point for all players; your game is a mere reflection of what is taking place in his own space and time. All information is sent to him and all information received is sent from him. The information does not flow as one solid piece though. It is broken up into packets of information interlaced with other packets (eg one bit sent then one bit received, each player getting their own individual interaction with the host at a time) also known as connection speed. In a perfect situation, if his game has a man throwing a grenade then your game will reflect that action. However, if the host player does not have the bandwidth to send and receive packets of information in a sequacious manner then the information will get "bottlenecked" and you then start noticing lag.

Not all lag is cause by the host. Each individual player can cause lag. If little Jimmy is downloading "movies" and decides to play CoD while they download then little Jimmy is only going to affect himself, he will still send information without any problem. But if little Jimmy is uploading something or has multiple devices connected to the internet at one time then he will not be able to send/receive a complete sequence of interactions thus making little Jimmy lag.

This goes for you as well, to limit your contribution to lag you must allow the necessary bandwidth needed to send and receive information without constriction so that the host may too send and receive accurate information to other players.

 

Going back to you sniping the man running across the map. Based off the information that you have received, it appears that the man running across the map is directly in your crosshairs. However you have not received the update that man has moved. So you are essentially firing at a ghost and you're playing a game based off of information that is inaccurate.

 

Lag Compensation

Lag compensation isn't suppose to be noticeable, but when it is it's extremely annoying. So I figure I would shed some light on the matter.

 

Ever play a match and walk into a room start to shoot a guy clearly 20-30 feet in front of you only to get knifed? You go into an all-caps-rage when you find out this man just lunged at you from 10 yards out. No, he doesn't have the Commando Perk, it's called lag compensation and it does a few different things. The game interprets what is being done and when information is taking too long to update it starts to assume movement patterns. So when you see the guy at the other end of the room that's lag compensation telling you that he is over there when in real time he's been standing right next to you in position to knife. This doesn't happen often as mentioned (or at least noticeably like the situation describes), only when there are gaps in packet transactions.

 

What Lag Compensation Is Not
It has become a common misconception that lag compensation is the intentional suppression of a one's internet in hopes that it places players on the same connection speed. This is not true, if you're having a bad connection it is probably an instance where so many people in the lobby are having a difficult time connecting to the host himself that everyone is having a hard time communicating. As mentioned above, are several factors that add to lag. If those factors are magnified it can mean the whole lobby suffers

 

 

 

Factors That Contribute To Lag

Now that you have a basic understanding of lag and what it is you might be wondering how lag comes about. Match making is a major factor. When you are placed in a lobby with several people of different nationalities and locations that span the globe your chance of lag is almost assured. Imagine having to send information to someone who lives well over a thousand miles away. If you were doing it by mail it would take many days. When being done by internet it takes several milliseconds. In retrospect that might not seem like a much time, but ask anyone in a fire fight what all happens during a span of 10-15 milliseconds. An SMG with rapid fire can easily put off 3-5 extra rounds in the short amount of time it takes for you send a bit of information to the other side of the globe. Now imagine there are multiple people that live hemispheres away from the host. Those milliseconds taken simply because location compound on top of each other, throwing the game from 2-3 milliseconds off to 10+. You then add that to the already average 10 milliseconds that it takes for your PS3 to process and you to react to what's happening on the screen, that's huge. Now imagine the host has less than ideal internet, or you're playing with little Jimmy. All those factors compounded have now thrown the game off by almost a full second

The wireless world that we live in is pretty sweet. The no-strings-attached lifestyle is extremely convenient. It can greatly affect your gaming experience though. As most of you know a wireless connection is not even comparably as fast as a physical connection. Think about it, you already have to send information from you to the controller, to the PS3, to the modem, to the PSN, to the Host and then it all has to come back to you. Why throw in a wireless router? That's valuable time you have to wait. A router also limits the bandwidth. Most internet providers give you plenty of bandwidth to work with so it's not really a factor, but if you have the cheapest internet package offered those megabytes/s you're losing becomes a much bigger fraction of the problem.

 

Glitching

Lag can at time also contribute to glitching. When you are sending information to the host you are compressing information and breaking it up to make the sending easier. It's not uncommon that bit of info can be lost in this process. It is believed that the drop rate of information happens on a regular basis. However, The fact that so much information is being sent and the fact that a single bit can be menial at times makes this unnoticeable or a nonfactor. In times when lag is at its highest point the amount of information dropped, lost, or misinterpreted can be high as well making glitches more frequent

 

Examples:

Care Packages falling through

Reloading twice or not reloading at all

KIA by friendly claymores/grenades or surviving claymores/grenades

Invisible walls

Spawning in enemy territory

Enemy dressed and labeled as a friendly

Killstreak malfunctions

Throwing random grenades or equipment not detonating

 

Review

1) Lag is excessive amount of time it takes for packets of information to be sent and received by and from the host player

2) Lag is mostly caused from less than ideal match making, either because of vast distance in players location or because of connection speeds are poor

3) Lag is not always directly resulting from a poor host. Other players can attribute to lag by not providing a strong connection to the host

4) Your game is a mirror of what the host's game resulting in the host often, but not always, having less lag

5) Limiting the number amount of hardware between you and the host (eg, getting an all-in-one router/modem) as well as reducing the number of devices using internet decreases lag

 

FAQ

Q. My connections status is four bars and I'm still lagging, why?

A. The connection status is based off your connection to the host. You are not lagging, the other player/s are

 

Q. Why am I still lagging when I join a local match?

A. Remember location is not the only factor when lag happens. Internet connection is most likely the problem in these kind of situations.

 

Q. Does lag just affect hit markers and "lag jumping"?

A. No, lag affects many smaller things often blamed on "glitching" (the processing of misinformation)

 

This information was gathered from independent research from multiple sources in hopes of providing a better understanding. If you have further questions of would like to correct an error I have made, please feel free to do so and POLIETLY ask. If you find this helpful or useful please comment to bump it

  • 1. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)

    Reminds me of the good ol' saying: You think you got lag; took Jesus 3 days to respawn...

     

    OT: Nice post! I can appreciate the amount of time it took you to pop this out, cheers

     

    (Oh and Boomp)

  • 2. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)
    ghamorra

    decisiveblow wrote:

     

    Reminds me of the good ol' saying: You think you got lag; took Jesus 3 days to respawn...

    So beautiful

  • 3. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)
    Aecetym

    Very good post

  • 4. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)
    xblbw

    Good and informative post. However I do believe in lag comensation (and now I also believe in ghosts).

     

    "It has become a common misconception that lag compensation is the intentional suppression of a one's internet in hopes that it places players on the same connection speed. "

     

    In MW3 I have, while host, walked up behind a stationary target, and shot him in the head, point blank with a type 95, and he did not die, but the character model perfomed a flintch animation. A fired again and got the kill. I then backed out of the game (to confirm whether or not I was host), and watched the host migration.

     

    Whatever lag comp is, I think one of its components is a delaying of registering the hits resulting from the hosts shots. I think the problem in MW3 is that sometimes the game starts registering the hosts shots too late, relative to when the other player starts to fire, combined with the very fast times-to-kill of the weapons, resulting in lots of assists for the host.

     

    My opinions from my experiences. Have you seen something like this? Do you think it can be explained another way?

     

    Edit: also, I play a lot of laggy games, and I can easily identify lag experienced when I am host to lagging in a normal game.

  • 5. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)
    ghamorra

    MW3 is know for hit detection issues. I've had experiences where I've unloaded an entire clip into someone and it wasn't until halfway through all my rounds that I started to get hit markers. It's something that lag contributes too, no doubt, but it's also just poor development

  • 6. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)

    Thank you! Great post!!

  • 7. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)
    avengedyesterday

    Good post.

     

    They just need to cut back down to the basics. Anyone remember all these problems in cod4 or waw? Even Mw2 wasn't bad but it did make an apperence then. There is just simply too much going on in games now. Too many player controled killstreaks, too many killstreaks being used at the same time. Not only that but in blackops the host also sent data to activison servers (theater). In MW3 they replaced this with elite ( stat updating ). Standard internet speeds haven't changed much since cod4 but yet the games are pulling more and more.

  • 8. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)
    vims1990

    avengedyesterday wrote:

     

    Good post.

     

    They just need to cut back down to the basics. Anyone remember all these problems in cod4 or waw? Even Mw2 wasn't bad but it did make an apperence then. There is just simply too much going on in games now. Too many player controled killstreaks, too many killstreaks being used at the same time. Not only that but in blackops the host also sent data to activison servers (theater). In MW3 they replaced this with elite ( stat updating ). Standard internet speeds haven't changed much since cod4 but yet the games are pulling more and more.

    This

     

    - Elite

    - Theater Mode

     

    Also:

     

    - Split-Screeners

     

    My 3 concerns in which has caused the excessive lag & framerate issues in MW3 & Black Ops. Didn't happen so much in COD4, WAW & MW2.

     

    There's too much going on for the host to handle in-game.

  • 9. Re: Lag Explained (Warning: Wall of Text!)
    ChestSplittah

    Since G IH A IN ID II has graced us with his presence and a lot of highly valuable info over the time MW3 has been out. Two things... He stated that the enormous amount of things that can be involved ingame effect this. Macc touched on this also. He said to a certain degree all equipment and KSs effect bandwidth to a certain degree. Now look at Black Ops. It was basically MW2 by Treyarch in q different time period as far as perks and challenges and KSs equipment availability. Vims and  Avenged touched on the big changes. Now the thing that effected netcode so much since CoD4, W@W, MW2 was the security and ingame reporting features. Black Ops, MW3 basically played the same. The latter worse. So the big info that has been lagging behind in being released... Is.. Black Ops II will have the same thing. Is it addressed?

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