43 Replies Latest reply: Oct 19, 2012 11:19 AM by Noob_Lyncher RSS

Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

Noob_Lyncher

I don't know why people cry everytime someone gets a MOAB in Domination. Maybe it's because they are usually spawn trapping. Maybe it's because they aren't playing a game type where the point is to hide in a corner and camp for as many kills as possible. I wonder if people realize that it's possible to actually run around in Domination and get a MOAB, no spawn trapping required. Since I got my new HD PVR, I hardly get a chance to play some maps in Ground War where spawn trapping isn't required, which are generally smaller maps. Spawn trapping has gotten really boring in MW3, but all my friends want to do is play Ground War, and with that, most of the maps are big enough that if you run around, you will get shot from every corner imaginable. With all that being said, tell me what you think about this non-spawn trap PM-9 Domination MOAB.

  • Re: Getting MOABs in Domination
    Roush

    There's a difference when you get a MOAB and the team still loses. Why play an objective game and not try to win. The MOAB should be remove from all objective games IMO.

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
    zingaa

    As you know I'm a huge opponent of the Domination MOAB, for various reasons and it should be eliminated from objective base modes..

     

    Do you capture or defend? Because in looking at your record your matches are like 40-0, 35-2, 38-1, 39-3 with zero captures or defends, which means you're not a team player, your a "you" player. You expect your teammates to do all the work of capturing and defending while you go for MOABs..

     

    The objective of Domination is capturing and defending, it appears you don't do either.

     

    Now, correct me if I'm wrong that your user name has changed and if thats not you then I'm wrong, but if it is you, then your a typical MOAB hunter that just got a PVR and we get an onslaught of these videos the rest of the year.

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
      Noob_Lyncher

      I generally hang back on the first flag or two for support. I used to get killed a lot rushing in, so I hang back and let my teammates hop on while I provide cover. I kill most enemies before they hop on the flag, so I rarely get defends, and the party i've been playing with for the past few days only spawn traps, so once the first two flags are capped, there's not much for me to do playing with them. I don't think i'll be playing Ground War in Black Ops 2 because i'm so bored of spawn trapping.

      • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
        zingaa

        So with that being said, you could easily assume with no captures or defends and a very high domination k/d, that your a moab hunter?? I have yet to see anyone other than a moab hunter that has the above stats, stats don't lie dude. Trust me I only play domination, so I've seen it all, and those stats put you in one classification. Try and justify it anyway you want, to each is own..

         

        Sidenote:

        Some of the players I play with in domination get MOABS, but there first priority is winning, capturing and defending, they will have 3-3 or 4-2 at least something, you have nothing

        • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
          Noob_Lyncher

          I don't hunt for MOABs, I just try and get lots of kills, few deaths, and the win. The MOAB is just extra. It's not like I get a MOAB every match. Sure, a lot of my matches are high K/D. But a lot of those aren't with a MOAB.

          • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

            what you should be trying to do. is help your team out, and go for the win. you have the mentality of a 12 year old. please do us a favour and dont post crappy videos like this anymore. Unless youre doing it while capping and actually helping your team out... Also im tired of hearing " im sitting back and defencing A flag" well thats nice and dandy and all, when you also have B flag, but how useful are you being protecting A, when your down 150-75, because you cant help your team capture B

            • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
              Noob_Lyncher

              You must be the one with the mentality of a 12 year old, because we weren't down 150-75. We won those matches, because everyone helped out. Whos videos were you watching? And since my videos are "crappy", i'd like to see some of your skills then, since you're obviously better. Better yet, let's play a match against each other, since actions speak louder than words.

              • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

                sorry i dont waste my time or money on buying an hd pvr just to record myself playing xbox, its kind of pathetic if you ask me. If you join against me solo, as i play 100% solo... and its an objective based game mode, you will lose 100% of the time.. i always have the most points capped award, i have no fear of running to B flag if it needs capped, even on a 20+  kill streak, winning means more to me than kd or moabs. and having that to go along with the 1.83 kd... id say is a fairly decent player.

                • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
                  Noob_Lyncher

                  You think i'll lose to you 100% of the time when you've never played against me? My my, someone's full of themselves. How about you join one of my matches so I can laugh when you go negative and dashboard to keep your 1.83. You talk big, so how about you back it up? Unless you're just bluster.

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

    I only watched 3 mins cause it appears to be a typical Domination MOAB. Yes, you were spawn trapping. Holding 2 flags, forcing them to spawn in an area... what do you call that? I'm not hating here. THAT is how you're supposed to play Domination. But don't come here saying you didn't do something then provide video evidence to the contrary.

    Good job, congrats and all that, but it's just a typical gameplay.

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
      Noob_Lyncher

      Spawn trapping is boxing them in their spawn and shooting them from outside the spawn. I was running through their spawn, which makes them spawn elsewhere. You don't have to have all 3 flags capped for it not to be a spawn trap, since running through their spawn gives you the same results.

      • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
        zingaa

        Yeah but dude you're clearly missing the point, you have zero captures and zero defends while going 30-0. I mean you're not even getting the first flag which is a gimmie, you're taking off camping flags to get a MOAB. You and I both know you're not giving "cover" to your teammates, you're going for a MOAB, just man up and admit it.

        • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
          Noob_Lyncher

          How would not getting the first flag help me towards a MOAB? It wouldn't. The friends I play with only do Ground War, and if 6 of them get to the flag before me, it's capped, and I can't un-cap it and re-cap it. I don't sprint around with Marathon and a shotgun/smg, so i'm not always the first one there.

           

          EDIT: I see what's going on. I don't think ELITE counts the first flag capture. I just looked through my recent games and I generally have 1 less capture than I should. We usually only capture two flags, but it's only saying 0 or 1 for some of mine. I remember noticing this a while back, but forgot about it. Is this bug known?

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
    vims1990

    The complaints are come from watching a domination match where you had no intention of either capturing or defending flags & I do agree with them.

     

    Hell, I'll show you a Domination gameplay of mine where I'm constantly on the move capping/defending flags, triple capping & still managing an unintentional flawless MOAB with a LMG. 

     

    The MOAB wasn't something I was intentionally working towards in this game, it just happened.

     

     

    By the way, I'm not trying to imply that you are a bad player or that I'm better by the way.

     

    @zingaa I do agree with you. The MOAB should have been removed from objective game modes.

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
      Noob_Lyncher

      I don't triple cap unless we need to. Plus, only holding 2 flags makes the game last longer, and running through the enemy spawn produces the same spawn scenario if you triple cap, so I leave the 3rd flag alone.

      • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
        zingaa

        Noob_Lyncher wrote:

         

        so I leave the 3rd flag alone.

        You also leave the other two flags alone,need I remind you, you capture and defend nothing.

         

        Vims1990 does it right, as soon as he hears we lost C he runs to it and recaptures it, perfect way to play domination, take notes lyncher.

        • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
          Noob_Lyncher

          I don't need to take notes. I don't get defends because I kill people before they set foot on our flags. In case you didn't know, you don't get defends for that. If people keep getting to run track all over your flags, then you aren't beating them back far enough.

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
    obzi

    Noob_Lyncher, you have almost 800 posts on this site and so you should know your going to get flak when you post something like this, you should know the score on here especially when it comes to 'look at me, I've got a moab' videos.

     

    This video makes your gameplay look bad, your recent stats make you look worse, you were very naive if you thought you were going to get anything but this, very naive.

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
      Noob_Lyncher

      I know that people who only post videos about "hey guys check out this MOAB" get raged at by the less mature people here, but I posted this video here to get feedback on the ENTIRE video, not just the few seconds where I got the MOAB, and all people here can do is cry becase I got one. What about the rest of the gameplay? If I didn't get a MOAB in this video, I bet that people wouldn't be crying. I guess the general consensus is: If you get a MOAB without camping in TDM or KC, it doesn't count. And my recent games genreally have high K/Ds because I'm a good player who plays with good people. Of course my stats aren't going to be low. But the people I play with only like to spawn trap on Ground War, so there's not much to do with them besides grab one flag and wait for the game to end. That's why I don't play this game nearly as much, because spawn trapping has gotten old. That's why I play Borderlands 2 more.

       

      I still hold an open challenge: If you doubt my skills, come play against me.

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
    IHerpIMyIDerp

    I personally enjoyed the gameplay, I have a hard time with the PM-9. If you get nice high KD gameplay and still win the match who cares. If it was a loss then I could understand some hate. You paid for the game, play how you want to play. Personally, one of the only things keeping the game entertaining for me is high killstreaks and the Osprey is easy with Reaper, AC130, and Osprey set up

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

    I'm not knocking you, it's a good gameplay. And you didn't need to get any flags, your team had it covered. But it IS a spawn trap. And don't say just cause you ran through their spawn that it's not. A lot of big Youtubers do the exact same thing. And again, I'm ok with spawn trapping Dom, it's the proper way to play it.

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
      Noob_Lyncher

      Eh, I also support spawn trapping, but I guess I just have a different definition of it. When I think of spawn trapping, I think of people posting up outside of the enemy spawn, so they can't spawn anywhere else. What I was doing was running laps through their spawn, flipping it, and giving them a chance to spawn behind us or somewhere else. Games seem to last longer when I do that also, because they usually spawn on our opposite flag and take it for a little while.

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
    nikebauer

    It sure as hell would be nice for people to appreciate those players who play good and drop MOABs. Unfortunately, it just doesn't seem like that mentality ever applies since everyone always gets upset and jealous over someone better than them. Sometimes people don't understand that you don't need to have a large amount of defends to actually defend a flag or that if you go for kills in an objective that you're automatically bad because you don't play the objective, people still need to get killed to cap flags.

     

    If you're reasonably decent, send me a fr: Icey Icon

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

      completely untrue. People dont need to get killed to cap flags, there have been a few videos on here, of people winning a game. where their entire team has 0 kills. Despite what all you killwhores may think. Racking up kills , and avoiding the objective completely is pretty much worthless.. When your team loses. you essentially have no one to blame but yourself for your team losing

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
      vims1990

      nikebauer wrote:

       

      It sure as hell would be nice for people to appreciate those players who play good and drop MOABs. Unfortunately, it just doesn't seem like that mentality ever applies since everyone always gets upset and jealous over someone better than them. Sometimes people don't understand that you don't need to have a large amount of defends to actually defend a flag or that if you go for kills in an objective that you're automatically bad because you don't play the objective, people still need to get killed to cap flags.

       

      If you're reasonably decent, send me a fr: Icey Icon

       

      An example of why I don't appreciate players who drop MOAB's

       

      In this specific video, the player get's a double MOAB and still loses.

       

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m43A62cpAQw&feature=plcp

       

      MOAB's really DO guarantee a win in objective gametypes. <sarcasm intended>

      You can't blame your teammates if you're not going to play the objective yourself.

      • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
        nikebauer

        Obviously MOABs don't guarentee an instant win, I never said that. I have dropped plenty where we ended up losing the game. Most of the time those loses occur with random teammtes. Hell, I've dropped MOABs before finishing the game with 5,000 points while the rest of my team is sitting on 1,000 points quick scoping and touching themselves in corners. MOABs give you a chance to change the momentum of the game and capture flags if you're losing. Just depends on whether or not your teammates are playing the objective too.

        • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
          vims1990

          nikebauer wrote:

           

          Obviously MOABs don't guarentee an instant win, I never said that. I have dropped plenty where we ended up losing the game. Most of the time those loses occur with random teammtes. Hell, I've dropped MOABs before finishing the game with 5,000 points while the rest of my team is sitting on 1,000 points quick scoping and touching themselves in corners. MOABs give you a chance to change the momentum of the game and capture flags if you're losing. Just depends on whether or not your teammates are playing the objective too.

           

          Ok, so in those times where you dropped a MOAB and ended up losing, what were you doing before you called in the MOAB?

           

          As I see it, you weren't in control of the match before you went for your MOAB streak. You weren't capping or defending flags. You weren't collecting enough dog tags in KC. You were far behind to win the match.

          You were allowing the opposing team to get a decent lead and hoping that the MOAB would bring you back which doesn't really work.

           

          If your teammates are complete morons, switch up your class setups in those losing situations. Specialist doesn't help your entire team. At least with Assault, there is something distracting the opposing team when you're calling in air support etc.

      • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
        Noob_Lyncher

        I didn't think it was even possible to drop 2 MOABs and lose without boosting.

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
    Noob_Lyncher

    I forgot to clear this up a while back, because I thought that people had more common sense. Zingaa says that I just camp because I don't have a lot of defends. You only get a defend when you kill someone on your flag. If you're getting a large number of defends, then you're most likely camping near a flag and killing people as they hop on.

     

    That Hebbsy kid thinks that just because I don't finish a game with 20+ captures, that i'm not a team player. I play with a smart team. Half of us go to A/C and half of us go to B. And since we spawn trap most of the time, we only get 1-2 flag captures a game, and if you've ever checked ELITE right after a match, you'll notice that it doesn't record the first flag capture of the match, so good spawn trap teams will usually have 0-1 flag captures recorded on ELITE. Play a match of Dom, count how many flags you take, and check ELITE for yourself to see that you're missing one.

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

    MOABs are so common that unless your playing solo in TDM with a challenging weapon and constantly moving it won't get any praise whatsoever. It's common knowledge that attaining MOABs with organised team support against random noobs in an objective gametype is not considered noteworthy nor is it entertaining to watch. After 11.5 months surely you must be able to understand this by now. Can I ask, do you get a lot of MOABs?

  • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
    zingaa

    It's obvious you've convinced yourself your doing the right thing and you will never get where everyone else is coming from, just keep posting these type of videos and you will continue to see these types of reactions, not only from me but just about everyone else. Remember, you posted the video and you asked for opinions, not us.

    • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination
      Noob_Lyncher

      I can tell people with mature opinions from kids who cry because people don't play exactly like they do. I'm just waiting on some adults to chime in, rather than kids who go berserk when anyone else goes positive, wins, and gets a MOAB in the same match, but I guess that reason is spread pretty thin on FPS video game forums.

      • Re: Non-Spawn Trap MOABs in Domination

        Ignore the haters. Well done on what looked to be an extremely difficult victory and subsequent MOAB against those top tier random with the support of your party of hardcore players. Your 9min MOAB in an objective gametype has also broken new ground and will be difficult for the vast majority to top. I've searched on Youtube and there is nothing that even comes close to that one off performance. The fact that the opposing sides top player went 4 kills/33deaths highlight just how much your skills were stretched to the max. Don't listen to the haters they're just jealous, it's to be expected these days unfortunately, f**king forum scumbags what do they know. Yeah high five! HIGH FIVE!!