Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

Call of Duty Black Ops II Xbox 360

Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

I play hardcore quite a bit in BO2. It's the 1st COD since COD4 where I've enjoyed playing this mode, as I prefer the slower pace over core.

I just think the mode would be a little more fun if it would take 3 or 4 bullets to kill rather than 2. Not a dramatic change to gameplay. Someone who gets the drop on you or faster trigger finger will still down their opponent easily, but maybe it'll take more of an effect in certain circumstances like heading for cover to cover etc. Sniping with pistols would just be a tad harder

I could also open up attacking gameplay a little bit, rather than 90% defensive gamestyle . I don't think the pace suffer too much. It'll still be hardcore

I don't know what core fans would think about raising the core health so I'm only suggesting HC. Upping HC to 50% tho would give a better experience imo, closer to the way it was in cod4.

Is it possible for the devs to change it + test it for a while without the need of a patch? I'm sure I read somewhere they can change/tweak most things with a hotfix this year.

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to Dscru

If you up it to 3-4 bullets with an AR... It just becomes core. I'm going with no on this one.

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to AudibleTuna

Ha, the main reason I'm playing more HC this year is because I maybe dying just as quick in HC compared to core, but at least I can kill them just as quick.

With hip firing being so accurate, and all weapons having little to no recoil compared to previous cod's it's not that big a step.

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to Dscru

I hear ya... It's just that, 3-4 bullets from an AR in HC = the FAL or any SMG at close range in Core...

Then you start having the same problems as you did in Core..

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to Dscru

Hardcore is essentially dead. Other than a few transferred game modes, don't expect much to go on within hardcore.

Fact is, there has been progressively less people playing hardcore since CoD 4, and I think something like 12% of the people online at any given time are playing hardcore. That number will be down under 10% at the end of this game's life cycle.

Onto your question - 90% health, or "three or four" bullets = Modern Warfare 3 core damage profile. Is that what you want? If so, then I would suggest either switching back to MW3 or moving over to core. Honestly, if you want to improve in CoD, then core is the way to go. You are up against similar to better players, and it's a faster experience, especially team based matches that you play as a group.

Hardcore is largely filled with people with limited skill, who play "defensively" because they truly can't play any other way and they just aren't smart or sharp enough to understand the way the game plays in core.

Make the switch. I did after Black Ops, and I love it. Don't miss hardcore at all, and especially won't when it completely dies.

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to Tick7

Your math is a little off about HC percentages... right now, 41,000 in HC out of 270,000... So, 41,000 / 270,000 = 15%

What you need to keep in mind is that, this percentage would be up around 20% (if not much higher), assuming there was more than one playable HC gametype (imo, FFA in general, is broken with it's absolutely atrocious spawns)...

A lot of the people playing Core: KC/DOM/HQ might rather be playing HC, but considering that HC versions of those game-types don't exist, they're stuck with playing core...

Btw.. hardcore is for people who want to play tactically & want a hint of realism in their games... Not because they aren't smart or have limited skill (that's just ignorant of you)...

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to AudibleTuna

exactly what you stated.

most people who played HC Dom or HQ.. are most likely trying to just deal and play Core until those modes get added.  or alot have gone back to MW3 for the time being

I was one of those people until I just couldnt take how bad Core is.

so im back to HC CTF / TDM ..

Once KC / Dom  get added.. the HC numbers will go way up again

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to AudibleTuna

AudibleTuna wrote:

Your math is a little off about HC percentages... right now, 41,000 in HC out of 270,000... So, 41,000 / 270,000 = 15%

What you need to keep in mind is that, this percentage would be up around 20% (if not much higher), assuming there was more than one playable HC gametype (imo, FFA in general, is broken with it's absolutely atrocious spawns)...

When that announcement came out from Vahn about the small player base in HC, he cited that it was 80,000 across both platforms when a combined 700,000 people were playing. 11% or so. Whatever the number, it's on the decline, and it has been that way since CoD 4.

AudibleTuna wrote:

Btw.. hardcore is for people who want to play tactically & want a hint of realism in their games... Not because they aren't smart or have limited skill (that's just ignorant of you)...

There's nothing tactical about hardcore anymore.

That's why I used to play it. In Black Ops, almost my entire gaming community of 1200 people played hardcore. I think we have 264 people roughly who wouldn't play hardcore. Everyone else? HC. Because of the reasons you suggested.

Now? It's a campfest and a bore and there's nothing tactical about it. It might have the odd tactical player, but more than likely it's full of people sitting at head glitch spots, ADSing, waiting for Johnny Clueless to walk into his sights so he can pull his trigger.

I can teach my 8 year old nephew how to do that.

Our numbers for Black Ops 2 so far? 1300ish people, broken into 21 branches, 18 of which are declared as core-only branches (translates into about 300 playing hardcore now. We've completely flipped).

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to Tick7

Vahn said 80k across BOTH platforms.

i commented on him asking if he did that study during Thanksgiving..

on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving.. at 2pm there were 52k in HC playlists.. just for Xbox

so the fact that he claims 80k TOTAL over xbox/ps3 is completly inaccurate...

of course he won't admit that.. and my posts asking him to respond back were deleted.

add back all the HC modes and these numbers will start to show more accuratly

(add the fact that Nuketown didnt even have a HC mode.. another reason why at the beginning the numbers were skewed)

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Re: Raise HC health from 30% to 50%

in reply to Tick7

You can cite Vahn all you want, right now I'm seeing that 15% of the people online are playing HC. That's an increase from 11%. Imagine what it would be at if Treyarch wasn't ALIENATING the HC demographic....

And I'm obviously going to disagree with you on your "It's not tactical anymore"...
HC holds the same principles of Core game-modes- controlling the map & knowing where to look. You just die quicker & need to be even more aware of your surroundings/ more cautious about what you're doing so you don't walk into the LoS of an enemy.

I could easily say that, Core is a campfest, with people sitting in head-glitch spots with their ADS up... Practically invincible in his spot because in core- it takes 2-4 headshots with ARs and forget about it if you've got a SMG... At least in HC, one bullet to the head will kill someone.

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