Ok, so most of you will now know who Benn and PlayTheGame are. You will also have seen the heat they get from me and others on these pages. Well, I spoke with Benn on Twitter the other day, and it was the beginning of him and me putting our differences to one side. Last night, while sitting in a party with Jaysta, I was joined in that party by the entire crew from PTG! Yes, the entire cast including Benn took to joining me, to find out what my problem with them was, and how, because of MY negative comments, everyone is now saying PTG are sh*t.
I explained my reasons as to why I 'turned' on a source that I once used very regularly. I explained that I did not like their attitude towards the community during the Tranzit run, calling people things like 'f*cking stupid morons' or 'retarded' for continuing the search for a next step. I did not give PTG heat on these pages back then, but instead chose to ignore it. Then, when they got the exclusive for MotD, they handled it all wrong. One day one of release, PTG released the ending to the Pop goes the Weasel EE, then, a few hours later, also revealed the Golden Spork. This ruined and tainted the map for not only me, but thousands of users of this forum, as their over anxious release of this info saw it spread fast to these pages. I also explained that I was not happy at them constantly bashing NGT, who whether they like it or not, are a BIG part of this community, with a LOT of followers, and I felt they should embrace the fact that NGT are where we ALL turn to on the first 3 nights of a new map so we can take part in the hunt. This will not chance, so I suggested they just accept this. I also explained I was EXTREMELY pissed at the though of them releasing the DLC 3 & 4 info, as I did not want the game to be spoilt so early in. In the end, they still released the info, but in a cryptic way that none of their subscribers managed to work it out fully. That was commendable, and I was wrong to judge so quickly and harshly on that.
Now, despite saying some pretty mean and sh*tty things about those guys, they took it relatively well, and were a lot more plesant that they needed to be. I explained that no matter what I personally say or do, it does not stop the fact that they can come across as arrogant and condescending in their videos, and some people just don't like that. Change the attitude and people will listen more. There is NO denying that PTG are definitely one of the best, if not the best sources to turn to for 100% factual information. This has been proven now and will continue to be the case, so who am I to put you guys off going there for it. I took my personal gripes with PTG and went over the top with it on these pages. For that, I apolopgies to you guys, PTG and Benn. Not because they forced me to, but because this community needs to be looked after better. It is a smaller community than some people realise, so any reliable or decent sources should be embrace. Now, having explained all this to the PTG guys, I expected a backlash of abuse from them. Instead, what I got was this...
So I thought that it was time to clarify our position in regards to our current 'species' of output on YouTube and across our social outlets. I has come to my attention that there are members of the community who do not appreciate the information that we have to share, this has caused a rift to form between a few of the popular Call of Duty forums. To be completely frank, this is the last thing that we want at PLAYtheGAME. We are devoted to serving the community with 100% factual information.
As you may know by now, I am almost 'stuck' in a mode of talking unto which I cannot talk without talking in code. This comes from years of experience in a job where I had to ensure that every word that I would mumble, had the correct connotations... (legal ease) For newcomers to PLAYtheGAME, this must be f****** unbearable and I am working on trying to get back to a mode in which I can just talk like a normal person. The other negative thing that people bring up is that I am in some way 'arrogant'. It's almost impossible for me to stand up and say I'm not and I'm not even going to try, what I will say is this... I believe in PLAYtheGAME, I believe that our output is of a very high calibre (especially for the Call of Duty community) and I would like to see some of our hard work 'rub off' on other larger channels. Sometimes arrogance can become blurred with confidence and I can only say that I'm NOT perfect, neither is PTG and neither is anyone else... but it doesn't stop us from trying.
In reference to the information that we have bee assigned, I am pleased to share a portion of it with you all however I am under strict instructions to only share a few details with the people here at PLAYtheGAME, the same was true for Alcatraz (not Mob of the Dead). When Mob of the Dead was in the making (2 months before release, titled 'Hellcatraz') I was privileged enough to become a part of the fold and so my information was bullet proof and future proof. The same goes for the last two maps for Call of Duty: Black Ops 2. I also know of Treyarch's next venture and I will be diluting some of the information from that soon. What I don't want to do, is spoil the game. When Black Ops 2 was about to launch I was offered a LOT of inside intel into what awaited, however, I declined it, because I wanted a suprise and I didn't want anyone to take that away from me.
Now to talk about other community members who have issues with PTG. The first would be Niikthatgamingshow who has some sort of butthurt feelings towards PLAYtheGAME... It's hard to understand why as we did nothing wrong... We just beat him on day one of release, like we will next time around (Day three next time). I feel as though Niik just takes it all too seriously and to be honest he should lighten up, it's only a game... The second person I want to mention is Spiderbite of NGT (I don't know what it stands for...) who has some sort of personal gripe against us which is also mirrored straight back at him. To him I say that I don't even know you and it's just a shame that you feel as-though you can't credit the people who make your life so much easier. No hard feelings though! The last person who is even worth mentioning is Syndicate, minecraft person. I don't need to apologise to him, I just thought he was worth mentioning because he appears butthurt too...
As for PLAYtheGAME's output for DLC 3 & 4... We will not be here until the third day after release for DLC 3, which SUCKS... But at the same time we will be doing something slightly more important with bigger fish! We will however be back in the race on the third day after release and we will continue to bring you 'worlds firsts' for all upcoming DLC's including Treyarch's next title.
I hope that this thread has helped you understand PTG's stance with it's current output and I hope you are all having the most fantastic of days! All the love in the world.
- Benn Down
(This was posted on the PlayTheGameCentral forum. Link : http://www.playthegame.co/forum/topics/clearing-the-dead-air)
Now, I have to commend Benn and the team for taking one right on the chin here. Benn has accepted that the community is not a fan of the arrogance or attitude in their videos and he has come out and done something that you practically NEVER see any Youtuber do, and that is accept responsibility for their own failings or shortcomings. Now I know he explains his feelings towards other competition at the bottom, but that is no reason for us to hate on them. They have personal issues with Syndicate, and that is their business. NGT I though was still a bit harsh, as we all love NGT and obviously will feel the need to defend Spider, but this issue is also between them, so I am not wanting to get involved in something I know nothing about.
The fact the PTG took this constructive criticism and used it as opposed to creating a 'DeathBringerZen is Gay' montage, shows me that they are willing to listen, and change to fit in with the needs of the community as a whole. I am willing to stop blasting PTG unnecessarily on these pages, but I leave it up to you guys as to whether you chose to watch their videos. I will say this... if you really do want legit information on the game, then it PTG who I would recommend turning to, but it is up to them to keep you guys on board, by being professional at their job.
Again, my sincerest apologies to PTG and Benn for calling them out when I though they were going to ruin the game. They have not, and I was wrong. I hope this lets people understand that it is THEIR own choice whether they like PTG. Not mines to force upon others.
Glad to see you trying to be the bigger man, here... However, if the ENTIRE community wasn't against them, do you think they'd be apologizing to anyone? They made their bed, let them lie in it...
Yeah, I am not the only one who is giving them heat, and that is down to them, not me. They said to me...
"For the sake of the community, if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all"
Well, they need to reap what they sow on that one, and if THEY have nothing good to say, then they need to learn to also say nothing at all.
They still slated people in the Omnia part 5, but we have to put those videos and their still clearly bitter attitude to one side and see if they change for the better in their next videos.
If they don't, then they will still continue to get heat from me and others on here and elsewhere. I am only willing to bury the hatchet with them if they also improve. If they don't, then there is NOTHING I will be able to say or do to help them.
Ball is in their court, but I am willing to see what develops from this.
I was interested to see their new video last night which was up after our game. Not sure if they made it long before talking to you, but its the same. He talks about why everyone sucks yet he is unaware of anything anyone else does cause he doesn't watch other channels or other forums, and gives excuses for giving out wrong info while still knowing everything. Not sure what the point of the actual video is since he doesn't give any info or hints. Seems like it supposed to be an apology video but it clearly isn't.
Yeah, unfortunately, we need to look past the Omnia series of videos, as they were all made prior to our chat or his apology post.
He continued to be arrogant in that video, but I am looking past that series and am waiting to see what comes from them in the future. His apology he made on his forum is not something I would EVER have expected to see from Benn, so I am willing to commend him for that and apologize for my slurs regarding them leaking the DLC information.
I did not and will not apologize for slating their attitude though, so that is down to THEM to change, and we the Activision Forum Community to decide if they have changed for the better or not.
Either way, I appreciate their information, but would appreciate it more, if it was put to us in a less arrogant manner.
Time will tell, but I think we should all at least give them the chance to change for the better, before making our minds up.
Death, I think you are too kind, especially since his apology was pretty weak, still slagging people who "he hasn't done anything to". I wasn't aware of PTG until recently, being a pretty die-hard NGT follower, and I tried watching Omnia vid number 1 and was instantly turned off when Benn called "the majority of the community "s%#t" because we run trains and use Juggernog.
I also don't believe for one second that, as a professional YouTuber, he has not heard of or doesn't know what NGT stands for. If you are in a business, do you not know your competition? Ludicrous.
Now, you spoke to him and even though his last vid, you said, was still arrogant, it was probably already "in the can" so time will tell. Actions speak louder than words with me, but it seems like his attitude thus far is that we all should be privileged to hear Benn and Co. speak from on high and should take whatever insults he dishes put because his info is "future proof".
I am with you, in that, I am a purist. I like the hunt. I don't want hints unless I am completely stuck. I enjoy the chemistry and brotherhood that NGT brings in their videos. They are about bringing the community along, not beating them down to "convince" people how good they are. PTG should take a note from NGT and they might see their subscribers go up. It is hard to slag a channel with over 700,000 subscribers when you only have 67,000. They must be doing something right.
What it comes down to for me is who serves the community best and unless there is a significant attitude adjustment from PTG it will never be them no matter how much inside info they get.
Yeah, I figure they probably made the video a while ago and the thing was uploading all day while they talked to you. It is 15 mins long. Just thought it was funny that it seems like its supposed to be an apology or explanation video, yet its the same and in some cases worse then previous videos they had.
After trying to reach out, I thought it was funny they still upload a video like that which is 15 mins of trashing other channels while acting like he doesn't know who they are. Even in his apology he still does the same thing. NGT never mentions them, yet he mentions them in every video. Its just interesting that he doesn't understand why he can't get subs. He's one of those people that thinks its everyone else.
True story. They were much more pleasant than expected. I feel like we will see some changes. I didn't expect them to post that apology so quickly. Plus, Benn said that Ptg isn't going to release the info for the zombie maps like they did with motd which was our main problem. It seems like the point was made well
I've not watched any if the latest vids as all the waffle gets posted on here anyways but,,,
Obviously this is only my opinion,
I don't care about them releasing stuff on day one, every one knows the websites like play the game and video channels like spiders will have spoilers and advice on how to do things all on the first day, that's never bothered me,
If I want to not spoil anything for myself then I stay away from forums, even this one, the mod team try but it's hard when the title of the thread gives it away b4 you've even read anything,
I can see it from both sides though, for the people who come in these forums to chat on a daily bases with people they have chatted with for a year nearly, it's no good seeing post after post saying double blunder gat or the likes, but even so if you are a regular you should by now know what's going to happen and stay away,
That's not bashing any one, its simu the truth, if it wasn't PTGC for motd it would have only prevented the inevitable happening by a few hours.
So I can live with all the spoilers and stuff,
What grates on my tits is people's attitudes to others,
And over at PTGC they seem to have a massive complex about any one other than them, as if anybody else is below them, I get the fact that they have probably spent dolla getting all their stuff and want to show what they got for their dolla, but there's no need to completly trash every other forum time and time again with their shllty attitude,
In that reply he says its something he has had to do, his wording has always Been chosen so he can correctly get his point accros without hurting himself and the
Team, well that's the way I read it,
Well that to me means he has meant every single word of every single put down he has done, if he has to be soo careful then obviously he has spent a lot of time coming up with the remarks that he has done,
Fcuk Benn and Fcuk PTGC you will see no change, not while that clowns got anything to do with it,
The thing is though mate... they did not used to be like that, and I am sure it was just them showing off that they got the exclusive.
Their info is pretty solid, and they tend not to make sh*tty, non-relevant videos, so if they CAN change in their attitude, there is no reason for us to hate on them anymore.
What they have done in the past is done. If they change, I will embrace them.