LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

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LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

A lot of people are speculating that the next map will be Agartha, but were we already at Agartha on Shangri La and Mob of the Dead?

We don't really know much of Agartha from the game, so like other historical and religious things the game has previously used, the game's story line puts a spin on what the real thing is to better suit its needs. The main things we know about Agartha from the game are that Maxis has been obsessed with it and that Shangri La was supposed to be a gateway to it. And like the Aether, its somehow connected to the Vril.  So was the eclipse Time Travel portion of Shangri La really just us entering Agartha? And is Agartha just a dimension that is created by something or someone's perception of the real world, much like the prison on MotD, where multiple religious themes about the afterlife come together.

In Shangri La, we know Brock and Gary entered the time warp before they died. Yet once in the past, they are trapped in a loop and keep reliving the moment over and over, kind of like the Mob of the Dead crew who keep reliving their version of hell over and over. So maybe Agartha is some kind of afterlife realm for the dead controlled by what's in the Aether, and Brock and Gary were stuck in it at that location. On Shangri La, we are able to exit the time warp, as do Brock and Gary when we go back to regular time. So it appears we pull them out of wherever they are. If Shangri La is indeed a gateway to Agartha, then it would make sense to pull things in and out of there and manipulate both places. It also makes sense that Samantha is still controlling the zombies trying to kill us in both times since she is in the Aether and can go after us in both real time and in the other dimension. If it was real time travel which took the crew to before the meteor hit the pyramid, then there would be a good chance Sam wasn't in control.

This could also explain Maxis' main goal of reaching Agartha in the first place, which is something he wanted to do ever since Group 935. He says in one of the early radio files on Der Riese that he took the lose of his wife hard and couldn't stand to lose Samantha. So maybe he was intending on entering Agartha and bringing back his wife. We know the MPD on Moon when powered up, is a gateway to the Aether and it collects souls. So maybe Argatha is actually in the Earth like it is fabled to be and it also collects souls, so Maxis wife would be there just like the MotD crew. But Maxis was shot on the Moon and the MPD wasn't powered up yet. So his soul would still be loose which is how he communicates with us now. Spoiler At the end of the Buried EE, he explains he now controls the Aether, so it sounds like he can also control Agartha. He then says everyone will die and he will be reunited with Sam. So if he enters Agartha, he can shape it however he wants, much like how the higher power on MotD tortures the prisoners, and be with his Wife and Daughter.

So if any of this is the case, the next map could be Agartha and still be any destination Treyarch wanted. The new team could enter the Rift at Buried and enter Agartha, but the map could be a giant version of Der Reise with bodies everywhere like MotD if thats what Treyarch wanted. At the same time, the old crew was on Moon still. In the radios when Richtofen first went to the Moon, he was also teleported to a jungle, probably Shangri La. So the old team could easily also be teleported back to Shangri La and reenter Agartha from there. So both crews could be on the next map or maps. If they were to bring some old maps back, they could create them as Agartha maps and have bodies everywhere and other interesting things added like the Dog Heads or other mythical things to make the maps different enough from the originals.

Another thing to consider is that maybe the Earth itself is already merging with Agartha through the Rift. The two dimensions are becoming one which is why the Earth won't make it according to Maxis, but Agartha will. This could explain a lot of the mysteries of the story like why Nacht is on Tranzit, why an old West style town is in Africa with ghosts, why Die Rise seems to be the only map that for sure takes place in the future, and why the players keep reliving their own loops each time they die, much like Gary and Brock and the MotD crew. So if the Rift isn't fulley repaired, we could get a hell on Earth type storyline, which would be an interesting starting point for the next game.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to Cheesegrater281

Thanks for the post, only time to skim now! will have to bookmark this to read with fresh eyes

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to Cheesegrater281

Lord that was a eye full never thought about it that way.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to TopAceH3X

Yeah, sorry about that. Wanted to make a little observation and just kept typing.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to Cheesegrater281

I almost thought Maxis was the better evil guy, phew! This post does seem to make Maxis look better although don't forget he laughed at the destruction of Earth and said the Earth NOR its survivors will live.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to CameronWcool

He does say regretfully .

But I think he has proven in the past that he is someone who thinks the ends justify the means. In past radios, he insisted on working with the Nazis even though Richtofen informed him some of the other scientists were from different countries and would take offense, he purposely kept testing on humans and turning them into goo with out a care, and he even experimented on his daughters dog. So on one hand he is a mad scientist that doesn't care about any one else, but on the other, he is a father of the year candidate and a caring husband. And probably been driven mad from 115 exposure and from being dead for so long.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to Cheesegrater281

Yes, it is true that the fight between Maxis and Richtofen is a type of fight where.. Both sides are bad but Richtofen honestly seems less bad than Maxis. He's willing to kill everyone to get to his daughter and wife. Respectable, yes. However he doesn't seem to like telling the truth and I don't trust him. Richtofen may have the zombies, but if Maxis wins he just offs everyone just like that. At least with Richtofen humanity gets a fighting chance. Into your point of how Maxis had bought the group into the Nazi Party just to demand them all killed later on seems to show that he is a very harsh and tempermental person too.

That's how I see it, as a side note though Richtofen is a so much better character.

He was my favourite of the original four and is still my favourite.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to CameronWcool

To me, Richtofen is still the more interesting character of the two. It seems like he is after power for himself, yet he has been influenced and guided by another force ever since he touched the MPD. So he still has a mystery partner where Maxis is running his own side. So I'm interested to see how Richtofens side plays out and what this higher power has planned and needs Richtofen for.

There is also the interesting Altar on Shangri La which has Richs name on it. The Altar resembles the ones all over MotD with the candles and skulls, which could be another link between the two maps and Agartha, but the SL altar has alien skulls and candles on it. So how exactly Richtofen's name got on there is a whole interesting mystery in itself.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to Cheesegrater281

but the SL altar has alien skulls and candles on it. So how exactly Richtofen's name got on there is a whole interesting mystery in itself.

If the Alien skulls are supposed to be those of the Vril-Ya, then it is possible they foresaw the events of what would transpire with Earth, and it's timeline, and maybe they put his name there as a prophecy of things to come.

To me, Richtofen is still the more interesting character of the two. It seems like he is after power for himself, yet he has been influenced and guided by another force ever since he touched the MPD.

He is definitely power mad, and the more interesting of the two. What I have noticed through the BO2 EE's, is that everything Richtofen has said about Maxis is TRUE.

He said that Maxis intended on destroying the Earth and killing us all, and the box on Buried revealed this to be true.

Maxis intention is to destroy Earth so he can enter Agartha and reincarnate Samantha, and then the Earth itself presumably.

Richtofen want to heal the rifts in time and repair the world, so he can be the omnipotent being who rules over it. Either way, the world is already in complete disarry, with next to no survivors left... just masses of the undead, so with this in mind, is what Maxis has planned really that bad? He is (supposedly) trying to get rid of this Earth, filled with Z's and nothing much else, and reincarnating it back into a cleansed state.

Ricky wants it healed, but with him still controlling the dead like a puppet theatre, playing games with the planets inhabitants.

This 'End Game' has definitely given the story enthusiasts like myself some food for thought. I still like Richtofen, but maybe was misguided when I thought that he was maybe the lesser of two evils. I am definitely looking forward to seeing where the story goes with the final DLC.

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Re: LONG Theory about what Agartha is and if we were already there.

in reply to DeathBringer-Zen

Completely agree.

One thing that is also interesting and kind of backs up my theory, is that Richtofen is the one after power. He also had something giving him information about the Vril technology and yet he has no interest in Agartha at all. All the power lies in the Aether for him.  And yet Maxis is obsessed with Agartha. Even when he takes control of the Aether and has all the power, he is still only interested in going to Agartha, which reinforces the idea that its a place of the dead, since the only thing he seems to want is to reunite with his family.

Which brings me back to my long post and wondering if Agartha is kind of like the Matrix for souls. Does the power in the Aether control and manipulate Agartha and shape it to its will to collect the souls for some Vril purpose. Sam and Richtofen were both in the Aether with some other being. This being could be what was running Agatha with the red eyes in MotD, since both Rich and Sam didn't have complete control of the Aether and neither one was interested in Agartha, except when Richtofen and the others went there in Shangri La and Sam still had the power to attack them. So now that Maxis is in complete control, he can reunite with his family there and shape the whole world in that dimension to his desires and let the real Earth dimension just die away. But Richtofen might know what the real purpose of Agatha is, so he has no interest in going there. So Rich would be like Neo and Maxis would be like Joe Pantolianos Cypher, which would be awesome if that was the keyword to Al's code on MotD and a hint at the story.

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