Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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The role of the sniper isn't to WIN the match. I think that's what that poster was trying to say. A Sniper is a support role. His goal should be to lock down an area and provide long-range support from a safe position.



Complaining because you can't place in the top 3 while sniping doesn't prove anything. It either means you're a terrible sniper, or you did what you were supposed to do, and provided support, and didn't attempt to be the top player in the match.



I'll say what I've said before:



The way I snipe in Black Ops, is the same way I've sniped in all the other Call of Duties, and it hasn't failed me yet (provided the map allows for it).
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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Kastro187420 wrote:

 

The role of the sniper isn't to WIN the match. I think that's what that poster was trying to say. A Sniper is a support role. His goal should be to lock down an area and provide long-range support from a safe position.



Complaining because you can't place in the top 3 while sniping doesn't prove anything. It either means you're a terrible sniper, or you did what you were supposed to do, and provided support, and didn't attempt to be the top player in the match.



I'll say what I've said before:



The way I snipe in Black Ops, is the same way I've sniped in all the other Call of Duties, and it hasn't failed me yet (provided the map allows for it).





So what you're telling me is this: if I make a conscious decision to use the sniper, I shouldn't expect to EVER do as well as someone with an Assault Rifle or SMG?



Because if it is, then you're the reason sniping is what it is now.
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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i thought QS was fine. i havent had the game long and check what im doing:

http://www.youtube.com/user/wiseyodaPSN?feature=mhum
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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BeastOfFate wrote:

 



So what you're telling me is this: if I make a conscious decision to use the sniper, I shouldn't expect to EVER do as well as someone with an Assault Rifle or SMG?



Because if it is, then you're the reason sniping is what it is now.





Pretty much. The idea of the sniper is to be at a distance. A sniper CAN win the match, but you shouldn't go out expecting to be the top player. Not if you're actually sniping in the intended fashion. Again, not saying its impossible Circumstances could help you do it (killstreaks, stupid enemies, bad teammates), but really, for every 1 kill you get with the sniper rifle, another 3 or 4 is going to be gained by Assault Rifles and SMGs.



The Assault Rifle is right out in the middle of the action, rushing in with a full auto weapon. An Assault Rifle/SMG user is going to be getting more kills than the sniper. That's just how it is (unless the AR user is terrible).



For what its worth, in MW2 at least, I HAVE placed first with sniping. In Wasteland, I went 30-0 in a FFA. In Scrapyard I went 26-0 before dying. Those are just 2 of the more memorable ones.



I'm just saying, don't jump into the match expecting to lead the team to victory, as the sniper rifle has never been about being the best on the team. Not before QSing showed up and ruined sniping anyway.
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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RubMyMeatStick wrote:

 

i thought QS was fine. i havent had the game long and check what im doing:

http://www.youtube.com/user/wiseyodaPSN?feature=mhum





Three dragscopes, two hardscopes and a no scope on Demolition (and that's only your highlights, not the times where your Sniper failed due to the initial randomness) doesn't really prove that snipers are balanced. It proves you're good at making them look balanced, though.
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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BeastOfFate wrote:

 



Three dragscopes, two hardscopes and a no scope on Demolition (and that's only your highlights, not the times where your Sniper failed due to the initial randomness) doesn't really prove that snipers are balanced. It proves you're good at making them look balanced, though.





Couldn't the same be said for ANY montage/highlight segment? Even MW2 and CoD4 had the same style of clips. People putting in what was good, and left out the bad. It doesn't prove anything other than what we already knew.
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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Kastro187420 wrote:

 

BeastOfFate wrote:

 



So what you're telling me is this: if I make a conscious decision to use the sniper, I shouldn't expect to EVER do as well as someone with an Assault Rifle or SMG?



Because if it is, then you're the reason sniping is what it is now.





Pretty much. The idea of the sniper is to be at a distance. A sniper CAN win the match, but you shouldn't go out expecting to be the top player. Not if you're actually sniping in the intended fashion. Again, not saying its impossible Circumstances could help you do it (killstreaks, stupid enemies, bad teammates), but really, for every 1 kill you get with the sniper rifle, another 3 or 4 is going to be gained by Assault Rifles and SMGs.



The Assault Rifle is right out in the middle of the action, rushing in with a full auto weapon. An Assault Rifle/SMG user is going to be getting more kills than the sniper. That's just how it is (unless the AR user is terrible).



For what its worth, in MW2 at least, I HAVE placed first with sniping. In Wasteland, I went 30-0 in a FFA. In Scrapyard I went 26-0 before dying. Those are just 2 of the more memorable ones.



I'm just saying, don't jump into the match expecting to lead the team to victory, as the sniper rifle has never been about being the best on the team. Not before QSing showed up and ruined sniping anyway.





I'm astounded. You're telling me that because the developer of a game makes it so that Assault Rifles and SMGs are clear cut better than any of the other guns in the game that it's balanced that way? That's absolutely ridiculous. I didn't play CoD 4 because Assault Rifles and SMGs were the only way to do well. I played it because I could lead my team to victory with ANY gun.



I don't know if you're just part of the new FPS generation or just a gamer whose mind is made up for them by other people. I don't understand why or how you could possibly think that a game that discourages any playstyle except a few is fun.



Honestly, this community is horrible. What happened to making sure all playstyles were equal?



P.S. if MW2 was the only game you were good at sniping in then you don't really deserve to have a say in anything related to it. CoD 4 and WaW were both games that a sniper, given enough skill, could lead his team to victory as I have done so more than enough times to say that Black Ops is too Assault Rifle/SMG oriented, like MW2 was.
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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BeastOfFate wrote:

 



I'm astounded. You're telling me that because the developer of a game makes it so that Assault Rifles and SMGs are clear cut better than any of the other guns in the game that it's balanced that way? That's absolutely ridiculous. I didn't play CoD 4 because Assault Rifles and SMGs were the only way to do well. I played it because I could lead my team to victory with ANY gun.





What's ridiculous is this delusion that people have of all weapons being equal in status and capability. Weapons are designed for different roles. The Sniper playstyle is a style of slower pace, for the precision shooter who values accuracy over R&G and pray and spray. Trying to suggest that you should be grabbing kills with a sniper, at the same rate as someone with an AR/SMG, THAT is ridiculous.



BeastOfFate wrote:

 



I don't know if you're just part of the new FPS generation or just a gamer whose mind is made up for them by other people. I don't understand why or how you could possibly think that a game that discourages any playstyle except a few is fun.





It doesn't discourage any play style. On the contrary, it makes sure that if you're taking up a particular playstyle, that it doesn't become too overpowering. Sniping is still very much intact for those who are decent at it and willing to learn.



BeastOfFate wrote:

 



Honestly, this community is horrible. What happened to making sure all playstyles were equal?



P.S. if MW2 was the only game you were good at sniping in then you don't really deserve to have a say in anything related to it. CoD 4 and WaW were both games that a sniper, given enough skill, could lead his team to victory as I have done so more than enough times to say that Black Ops is too Assault Rifle/SMG oriented, like MW2 was.





All play styles are equal. But not equal in the sense that every play style is going to net you top of the leaderboard status. Its just unreasonable to expect that you'll be putting out the same kill rate as someone with an AR or SMG.



Also, I never claimed MW2 was the only game I was good at with sniping. I merely used it as a reference point since that is the game most people compare Black Ops to. In CoD4, the Dragunov was the first Golden Weapon I unlocked (next to the Desert Eagle). I played the sniper role in Cod4 almost exclusively. I know all too well just how well a sniper can do in the games. A sniper is perfectly capable of leading the game.



I'll say it once more so that its clear:



A Sniper shouldn't expect kills to come in at the same rate as someone with an Assault Rifle or SMG.
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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Kastro187420 wrote:

 

All play styles are equal. But not equal in the sense that every play style is going to net you top of the leaderboard status. Its just unreasonable to expect that you'll be putting out the same kill rate as someone with an AR or SMG.





I guess I'm just too used to games that were developed for the age of gamers where people could expect a fair playing field for every gun. Not so in Black Ops. Good day, new FPS generation. Your majority numbers are proof that developers only care about money.



P.S. Equality entails that guns should be able to perform equally. Not that 'One gun is better just because and your gun is worse just because'.
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Re: Treyarch didn't ruin quick scoping, they ruined sniping.

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My god i am getting sick of all these people whining over how they cant quickscope anymore get over it,whining wont change anything, you want to quickscope go back to MW2 let me know how that goes for you... Im glad i can actually run around and not get 1 shotted by some show off saying they all good for slightly hitting LT until it gets close to scoping and hitting RT then when they get killed by someone who "hardscopes" they flip... Get over it and if you are gonna get all serious over it then go back to MW2
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