Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

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Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

Reading over these posts for the last few months I see that most complaints are composed of phrases like:

"they are shooting around corners,"

"lost gun battle to SMG using my rifle/assault,"

"invisible players kill me,"

"instant death no bullets no red,"

"need more health dying too fast,"

"overpowered gun needs to be nerfed,"

"overpowered explosive needs to be nerfed,"

"lag in game - how do I fix my network,"

"lag in game after the patch,"

"super speed enemies,"

"jerky movement,"

"lagged host,"

"kill cam location doesn't match what happened,"

"I shot first but the kill cam didn't show it,"

"I pre-fired but still lost gun fight,"

"shot him dead-on but got no hit markers,"

"0.3 K/D one game 5 to 10 K/D the next, same lobby,"

"when are we getting dedicated servers,"

etc...

All of these issues appear to be lag related questions that up until this point remain completely un-addressed in any of the patches. So here is a revolutionary idea that I suggest will change the COD gaming arena FOREVER and save the series from it's demise.

ADD LOBBIES THAT HAVE NO LAG COMPENSATION

This is perfect for those of us who fork out thousands of dollars to get the ultimate gaming rig setup. It's time that a gaming mode is created for actual hardcore gamers. 50MB connections with less than 15ms lag are quickly becoming common place among gamers. Many of us spend the big bucks on extreme gaming modems, routers, gold connectors, quad-shielded, cat6/7, 120hz+ screens, high-speed HDMI, controllers, true 7.1 surround headphones, etc. only to have all this hardware offset entirely by ridiculously gracious sums of lag compensation handicaps to the enemy players so that we still get dropped into lobbies with people sharing out their cell-phone WiFi while streaming videos or downloading torrents. This is completely unacceptable. For example, I flew down to Mexico, put my SIM card in a MiFi, shared the 2 bar 3G connection with my PS3 and 4 tablets yet still got an OPEN NAT?!!!

Lobbies with no lag compensation would be exclusively for players that like to play tournament style matches from the comfort of their homes. It would increase software and hardware sales because then those of us with money to spend would have reason to do so. Currently lag comp discourages big money players from purchasing high dollar games and hardware by slapping them with a huge handicap in the game.

Back when PVP FPS first arrived I remember saving up my cash for months just so I could spend to buy that faster modem, larger ram, faster hard drive, cool controller, or better monitor, but now that lag comp undoes all of those purchases there is no point in trying to play competitively nor making more big purchases. Every good match and every bad match depends exclusively on how much lag comp you got or did not get, depending on how well the lobby matched up. Is this why I only get really good matches while my roommates are browsing for porn or streaming pirated movies? Yes! Which is common knowledge now days, and is very very sad that every kid gamer knows it.

It is time for CHANGE. There would be no huge difference in the game code to add a NO LAG COMP lobby for us to try. Just comment out the lag comp code and stand up the lobby. If it fills with players then the entire gaming franchise would be changed forever. [The heavy duty & hardcore lobbies do not address the issue properly, respectively more life & faster death does not translate any way into less lag complaints, more than not it compounds the issue many times over, especially since closely matched players are rare in such small lobbies.] It's time to address the problem where it lies rather than continue wasting developer and programmer hours beating around the bush. Rather than thinking outside the box, stay in it, and address lag directly with no lag handicaps at all for players with terrible hardware and software setups. If they don't like playing without lag compensation then they can always go back to the standard default game modes.

THANK YOU!

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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to TinyLittleTimmy2
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‎12-03-2014 05:11 AM

If one were to suggest that a lobby/game mode was created to have minimum requirements (in terms of ping, connection reliability, etc...) as to guarantee that people would not perceive the effects of "lag comp*"... I think that would be great.

Anything else is lolable (I think I just made up a word... I should copyright it)

* I still boggles my mind how, still, so many people have no idea what lag compensation is.

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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to TinyLittleTimmy2

TinyLittleTimmy wrote:



Reading over these posts for the last few months I see that most complaints are composed of phrases like:


"they are shooting around corners,"


"lost gun battle to SMG using my rifle/assault,"


"invisible players kill me,"


"instant death no bullets no red,"


"need more health dying too fast,"


"overpowered gun needs to be nerfed,"


"overpowered explosive needs to be nerfed,"


"lag in game - how do I fix my network,"


"lag in game after the patch,"


"super speed enemies,"


"jerky movement,"


"lagged host,"


"kill cam location doesn't match what happened,"


"I shot first but the kill cam didn't show it,"


"I pre-fired but still lost gun fight,"


"shot him dead-on but got no hit markers,"


"0.3 K/D one game 5 to 10 K/D the next, same lobby,"


"when are we getting dedicated servers,"


etc...


All of these issues appear to be lag related questions that up until this point remain completely un-addressed in any of the patches. So here is a revolutionary idea that I suggest will change the COD gaming arena FOREVER and save the series from it's demise.



ADD LOBBIES THAT HAVE NO LAG COMPENSATION



This is perfect for those of us who fork out thousands of dollars to get the ultimate gaming rig setup. It's time that a gaming mode is created for actual hardcore gamers. 50MB connections with less than 15ms lag are quickly becoming common place among gamers. Many of us spend the big bucks on extreme gaming modems, routers, gold connectors, quad-shielded, cat6/7, 120hz+ screens, high-speed HDMI, controllers, true 7.1 surround headphones, etc. only to have all this hardware offset entirely by ridiculously gracious sums of lag compensation handicaps to the enemy players so that we still get dropped into lobbies with people sharing out their cell-phone WiFi while streaming videos or downloading torrents. This is completely unacceptable. For example, I flew down to Mexico, put my SIM card in a MiFi, shared the 2 bar 3G connection with my PS3 and 4 tablets yet still got an OPEN NAT?!!!



Lobbies with no lag compensation would be exclusively for players that like to play tournament style matches from the comfort of their homes. It would increase software and hardware sales because then those of us with money to spend would have reason to do so. Currently lag comp discourages big money players from purchasing high dollar games and hardware by slapping them with a huge handicap in the game.



Back when PVP FPS first arrived I remember saving up my cash for months just so I could spend to buy that faster modem, larger ram, faster hard drive, cool controller, or better monitor, but now that lag comp undoes all of those purchases there is no point in trying to play competitively nor making more big purchases. Every good match and every bad match depends exclusively on how much lag comp you got or did not get, depending on how well the lobby matched up. Is this why I only get really good matches while my roommates are browsing for porn or streaming pirated movies? Yes! Which is common knowledge now days, and is very very sad that every kid gamer knows it.



It is time for CHANGE. There would be no huge difference in the game code to add a NO LAG COMP lobby for us to try. Just comment out the lag comp code and stand up the lobby. If it fills with players then the entire gaming franchise would be changed forever. [The heavy duty & hardcore lobbies do not address the issue properly, respectively more life & faster death does not translate any way into less lag complaints, more than not it compounds the issue many times over, especially since closely matched players are rare in such small lobbies.] It's time to address the problem where it lies rather than continue wasting developer and programmer hours beating around the bush. Rather than thinking outside the box, stay in it, and address lag directly with no lag handicaps at all for players with terrible hardware and software setups. If they don't like playing without lag compensation then they can always go back to the standard default game modes.



THANK YOU!


Honestly... you do get how both game design and the internet work, right?

What you are asking for... is not feasible.

That's my opinion but it should be yours ;-),
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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to RAN Kismet

Originally, even before the internet, there was no lag comp code. We connected directly to each other at home or through a BBS. Games worked fine. It is feasible and it works. People all rushed to buy the best equipment so they could play and win. Technology boomed. Now we have huge divide in speeds. The entire world has internet. I don't believe lag comp was written to close such huge gaps in speed. A gap fill of 100ms is fine in a 56k world where everyone has a 200ms delay, but in the modern world where some people have a 7ms delay and others a 250ms delay, it just doesn't make any sense to lump them all together in the same lobby. We should be allowed the option to play against players with similar setups having less delays rather than forced to play the gambit of laggy players worldwide with a floating host machine from who knows where in-between.

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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to TinyLittleTimmy2

Lag comp is there for the internet... not for games played directly on the device. If you play in a lobby where everyone is pinging sub 50ms... there won't be perceivable "lag comp".

What you are really asking for is proper host selection and matchmaking.

... if those work...

... your request is null and void.

But the request for a non-lag comp lobby is not feasible... it's not something you can adjust playlist to playlist.

That's my opinion but it should be yours ;-),
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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to TinyLittleTimmy2

Oh boy, I have no idea where to start, so I will just. let someone with more time on their hands explain.

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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to TinyLittleTimmy2

Step 1, gain some knowledge on the Subject.

Step 2, come back, read this, and laugh at how silly it is.

Start here. Outdated but helpful. The Elagaphant – Charlie INTEL Blog: Call of Duty Ghosts - Black Ops 2 - Modern Warfare 3



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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to NiceDrewishFela

some of the fault must lie with cheating internet service providers who use false claims of perfect gaming service to sell their product.

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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to toby_jugs

As someone who works in that industry, I can assure you that has a LOT to do with it.


They offer high speeds over outdated equipment and push far too much through. Having worked in repair on these, sometimes you are better off with slower speeds which can cause less noise on the line. Less errors and loss = greater performance.



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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to NiceDrewishFela

Then there's also delays due to the larger buffers we have today to allow more (larger) throughput over time. I've shrank my buffers though and tested. It does make a small difference, but can a huge difference if you are sharing a connection with someone that is streaming a HD video for example. Smaller buffers speed you up in games but cause their video to become choppy and load to system cache much slower. I'm direct to the modem, from the console so not an issue really. Older modems do have smaller buffers though (with slower processors), which I've also tested, with little to no difference there either.

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Re: Game Mode Request: Lobbies with NO LAG COMPENSATION

in reply to TinyLittleTimmy2

Until you can test results of gaming across millions of players daily, I doubt your tests have any significance whatsoever.



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