The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

A lot of people that I've talked with have said that what will kill this franchise are the campers, the amount of lag, quickscopers, people complaining about weapon/perk nerfs, and the massive boredom. Most of those topics are debatable, and some of them are doing a good job at bringing this franchise down after all. Aside from those topics, there are a few things that have happened with Ghosts release that have gave a really bad impression on the developers despite the fact that they've gotten enough from what they've done with the game in the first place.

COD is the most popular fps out there. You know you're going to sell a lot of copies, so explain to me why there was a need to false advertise your game. It was specifically stated that we were going to get dedicated servers on ALL platforms. Well, where are they Infinity Ward? There are no dedicated servers on the xbox 360. I don't know the state for Sony's consoles, but that alone already contradicts what we've been told prior to this game's release. That's a pretty bold move coming from you, and I hope you get the backlash you deserve.

You also felt the need to continue to milk money off of people through micro transactions. Yes, the goal of any business is to make money. I understand that, but there is a right way and a wrong way to go about doing so. A prime example of what I mean by this is charging us for extra custom classes. The maximum number of classes we could have in the past releases have been 10, so you all decided to lower that count to 6 in this game and charge us more to get that original count back. That's ridiculous. So while you insult us with that garbage, I would expect you to actually fix the problems in the game (spawns and as an example); however, the only thing you care about at the end of the day is how much money you can get from people through these absurd micro transactions and think you can get away with that through extra camos and custom classes. That alone makes me sick.

If people continue to let these people get away with practices such as these, this will be how they will do business on future COD titles. I know I complained a lot on this thread, but I, as well as many others, will not condone being lied to continuously and having that micro transaction nonsense thrown at our faces and are expected to completely forget about the problems that should have been fixed before the official release. This is supposed to be the most popular, and for the amount of money we're paying to play, we should be treated better than this.

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

in reply to Ovrlord

As you've been told numerous times. They said hybrid system, which they are using.

Also dlc is optional, always has been.

Once again you are crying about nothing.

Absolutely 100% worthless thread.

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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Thanks for the response. That really "encourages" proper interaction. A simple "I disagree" would have been nicer, but now I'm a crier for expressing my opinion (and most likely fact) according to you. I'll choose not to stoop to that level just yet.

There's in fact no dedicated servers on the xbox 360. You can tell me again and again that they're using a hybrid system and it wouldn't change anything. Saying something over and over again to someone does not make the statement true. There is more than enough evidence through what happens during gameplay to state that there are no dedicated servers. When I asked about this particular issue in the spawn feedback thread, users even acknowledged that the servers were not up and running. They knew that was the case because of what they experienced in game. Unless you can prove that we've been playing on dedicated servers, then you or anyone else can say they are using a hybrid system all you want to while no one will listen to you.

I never said dlc wasn't optional. Ever think about why I put the word "future" in the title? The reason why I mentioned the custom class dlc in the first place was to not only expose what they were doing, but this is how they will do things in the future if this continues. What will stop them from taking away even more things that have been standard in the COD series and offering it as dlc in the future? These custom classes were only the first step.

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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It has been proven in this forum (try the search function) that users on ALL platforms (minus Wii) have connected to dedicated servers. So, like you said someone saying something doesn't make it true. But proof does. The only way to tell how many people are on dedis would be to have everyone monitor their connection, and that just won't happen. So, we can say that maybe there aren't many dedicated servers, but to say there are none is just false. As far as dlc goes, as long as its optional its no big deal. The extra CAC slots is a small step away from pay to win, I'll give you that. But it really ends there.

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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If users on the Wii have not connected to dedicated servers, then why is the claim that false advertising wrong then? They did say that they were going to offer those on all platforms, so the Wii users should have been able to connect to them too, but you just stated that they didn't. You basically just proved my point regardless of anything else.

I would like to think that they would not go any further than removing custom classes and charging them to get them back, but I can see them moving in that direction.

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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Ovrlord wrote:



Thanks for the response. That really "encourages" proper interaction. A simple "I disagree" would have been nicer, but now I'm a crier for expressing my opinion (and most likely fact) according to you. I'll choose not to stoop to that level just yet.




In fairness starting off with most people i talked to said .. then quoting the most popular fallacies just reads well to me at least you were disguising your own views as those of others .


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There's in fact no dedicated servers on the xbox 360. You can tell me again and again that they're using a hybrid system and it wouldn't change anything. Saying something over and over again to someone does not make the statement true. There is more than enough evidence through what happens during gameplay to state that there are no dedicated servers.


I would be interest what evidence there is just during gameplay to say you are not on a dedi.. at most you could say is i got a host migration so i wasn't on a dedi, or i didn't get a host migration so i could've been on a dedi.


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Unless you can prove that we've been playing on dedicated servers, then you or anyone else can say they are using a hybrid system all you want to while no one will listen to you.




Same arguement could be made by saying can you prove people arent, and with respect anecdotal evidence from people (judging by the comments we see time and time again on these forums) who dont have a clue isn't really evidence.

Given the amount of very tech savvy people who havent come out and demonstrated there isn't dedis says more than some joe bloggs saying i lagged ergo i wasnt on a dedi.

and honestly if you think a billion dollar company would lie given the resulting crap storm that would cause then well...


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I never said dlc wasn't optional. Ever think about why I put the word "future" in the title? The reason why I mentioned the custom class dlc in the first place was to not only expose what they were doing, but this is how they will do things in the future if this continues. What will stop them from taking away even more things that have been standard in the COD series and offering it as dlc in the future? These custom classes were only the first step.




customization micro dlc isnt an issue its optional, and i dont have an issue with it at all, people buy it if they want it and its a good secondary revenue stream for atvi.. but i do agree with you on removing stuff to sell back like the slots this i firmly disagree with and is a direction that if cod choses to go i would not support the franchise any more

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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It's not like they haven't been dishonest before. Remember when they said they were going to remove last stand from MW3? Obviously they didn't because it was put in the game in the form of final stand anyway. So yes, if you asked me would I think they would lie, look at their history and you can get a pretty clear answer there.

To be fair, and this is just my opinion, but I don't feel as though my views are being disguised by other people's thinking. Yes, I did start off with saying by talking with other people, but I only went as far as to say what they were complaining about rather than the topics I used myself. If they're fallacies, so be it. I won't say you're wrong on that one, but some do appear to be problems within the community that have blown up ever since this game's release. That can be discussed on other topics though.

You bring up something that could be a good idea though. Why don't those tech savvy people come on here and prove that we're on dedicated servers for the 360? If there's a thread that exists already on this topic, I wouldn't mind if that was shown to me. But as far as what has been seen gameplay wise and from the responses I've gotten by bringing these things up with a variety of people, then the conclusion that will be gotten is that something fishy is going on with those servers. People aren't just complaining for no reason. Some could have potentially legitimate concerns.

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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People say titan fall will kill COD, not true, COD will kill itself if they keep going like this...

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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Although I do not 100% agree with the specifics of your post (i.e. what they are milking us for), I totally agree 100% with what you are saying in principal.  If you look at the following thread:

Re: god dammit, Activision, please change this.

And my follow-up thread to it:

Did the HE pre-subscribers just get hoodwinked?

It basically details exactly what you are getting at (in spirit): We are being milked and not getting the value from what we pay for.  The business practices are a bit questionable... I (personally) feel they are taking advantage of our love for the game/series, and exploiting that desire to play to get extra coin out of the players.  The desire to maximize profits is not bad; but at least give people good value for their dollar.

(It is like the 4th installment of Indiana Jones: people were so hyped at the return of Indy that they shoveled out a crap movie and called it ice cream)

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Re: The standard of COD for the future: Malicious business practices and poor decision making

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Ovrlord wrote:



A lot of people that I've talked with have said that what will kill this franchise are the campers, the amount of lag, quickscopers, people complaining about weapon/perk nerfs, and the massive boredom. Most of those topics are debatable, and some of them are doing a good job at bringing this franchise down after all. Aside from those topics, there are a few things that have happened with Ghosts release that have gave a really bad impression on the developers despite the fact that they've gotten enough from what they've done with the game in the first place.



COD is the most popular fps out there. You know you're going to sell a lot of copies, so explain to me why there was a need to false advertise your game. It was specifically stated that we were going to get dedicated servers on ALL platforms. Well, where are they Infinity Ward? There are no dedicated servers on the xbox 360. I don't know the state for Sony's consoles, but that alone already contradicts what we've been told prior to this game's release. That's a pretty bold move coming from you, and I hope you get the backlash you deserve.




The only thing that is killing (if that is something used to describe a games life cycle) is time itself, this game is not immortal to players evolving and getting bored with it. Like all great games, its end will be met, this happens to all things.

In regards to your claim of False advertising, you really, and I man really should read things before writing without merit. The only thing false here is your claim of them telling lies.


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You also felt the need to continue to milk money off of people through micro transactions. Yes, the goal of any business is to make money. I understand that, but there is a right way and a wrong way to go about doing so. A prime example of what I mean by this is charging us for extra custom classes. The maximum number of classes we could have in the past releases have been 10, so you all decided to lower that count to 6 in this game and charge us more to get that original count back. That's ridiculous. So while you insult us with that garbage, I would expect you to actually fix the problems in the game (spawns and as an example); however, the only thing you care about at the end of the day is how much money you can get from people through these absurd micro transactions and think you can get away with that through extra camos and custom classes. That alone makes me sick.



If people continue to let these people get away with practices such as these, this will be how they will do business on future COD titles. I know I complained a lot on this thread, but I, as well as many others, will not condone being lied to continuously and having that micro transaction nonsense thrown at our faces and are expected to completely forget about the problems that should have been fixed before the official release. This is supposed to be the most popular, and for the amount of money we're paying to play, we should be treated better than this.


The extra class thing, well I have debated this with others and each of us see's it differently, I see it only as a convenience others as an advantage, overall I do agree they should not sell us what they provided before, similar to them "re-skinned" maps that are being resold to us.

Your final paragraph well, its only a video game worth $60.00 dollars, how much "better" treatment do you want from a make believe thing in a virtual world, where all you do is use their software on their servers on their game? Abit exaggerated, but you have the right to feel as you do.

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