Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

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Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

I am a red-blooded American and like a lot of Americans, I love my football (not soccer for anyone outside of the U.S.A.). This weekend, for the AFC Championship, Tom Brady and The New England Patriots are facing Peyton Manning and The Denver Broncos. Anytime Brady and Manning face each other, there is always talks about which quarterback is better between the two, or who would you rather on your team.

Both quarterbacks are great, even legendary in a lot of opinions. However, the biggest difference between the two is the number of championships each has. Tom Brady has 3 championships while Peyton only has 1 and because of that, a lot of people prefer Tom Brady on their team instead of Peyton Manning.

What does this have to do with Call of Duty?

More and more, it feels players are moving away from wanting to win on COD to just wanting to look good.

Reasoning behind this:

- Those who mod the game do so to make it look like they are better than they truly are and having to cheat, it just shows they are losers inside.

-When people see that they are facing a clan, no matter how good the clan is or how bad, they leave. What ever happened to welcoming the challenge?

- If a team loses, they are usually quick to point out if the winning team has a low overall score or KDR.

-The lack of wanting to change playstyles to acheive a win, such as a camper camping a low traffic area away from objectives.

I heard from an NFL analysis that stats mean nothing if you never win. You can have the most OMGWTFBBQ SPM and KDR but what is the point if you never win?

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to TheBeastlyDude

I'd say that it's more a matter of what do you value.  I'm with you that winning is more important to me than stats which is why I have the stats that I do.  If I cared about stats above all else I could easily have stats that would make a lot of weaker players run in fear.  But I could care less about my stats.  I'm all about the win.  If that means dying one off a Loki to get that flag cap that brings the win home then so be it.  For others though (and I don't understand it), the mighty stat is the only thing that matters to them.  Obviously not all of them matter or they would be concerned about their win % but they do seem to have built their identity around being the high kd guy.  These guys are easy to find because they make a point of telling you how "great" they are and how "garbage" you must be for having even a 0.01 lower kd than they have.  Honestly, I have to wonder why their self-esteems are so low in the real world that some status on a video game that no one will even look at next year means so much to them.  I'd say that it's a sad commentary on the world that we live in today.  In my day you either won or you lost.  The goal was to win plain and simple.  There was no bragging rights for being statistically great but coming in 2nd.  That is why I like what Ghosts has done with the clan wars.  It doesn't matter if your clan has a 3 kd or a 0.5 kd.  The only thing that matters is your wins.  I know some don't like this setup but I for one think that the children of today need to be more win focused.  Winning builds self esteem.  It always has and always will.

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to phxs72

We think a lot alike. I don't know when winning ended up so downplayed in today's society or why a lot of people don't care if they win. I couldn't imagine playing a game without the sheer focus of winning. Growing up, I didn't play Sonic the Hedgehog to run around on a game for fun, I played to win. I never played any Madden game just to see if I can play a whole game using only run plays. I've never played Poker to see if I can get the Ace of Spades card in my hand.

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to TheBeastlyDude

LOL tell me about it.  I look at my own kids and they despite my raising have a different way of looking at video games.  Don't get me wrong they aren't stat guys but they love those games like Assassins Creed and Syrim which do have plenty to do on them but what I find them doing mostly is just wandering the maps for hours not because they don't know what to do but because they just like doing it.  I tell them that I couldn't do what they do for 10 minutes much less hours and yet I play an unholy amount of CoD.  So it's not like I don't love playing video games.  I just need the challenge.  If I wanted to just wander about, I'd go for a walk.

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to phxs72

I agree with your game selection. My son and daughter play those kind of games as well. I have also preached to them since they were able to play games that if it's daylight and nice out then they need to be out enjoying it. Games can be played when the day is done or the weather is crappy. They have issues with trying to do stuff with some of there friends cause all they do is sit inside and play games. My 19 yr. old gets frustrated trying to organize football or b-ball games cause kids have become lazy. Lol.

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to TheBeastlyDude

Winning has become so downplayed to this world because the world has become a selfish "Me" world. I have 2 children and have been raising them to understand what is important in life. In that they see exactly what you are saying. My 19 yr. old son plays COD as well and he agrees that his stats are not important. He likes to see him/us win. We also don't get bent out of shape if we don't.

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to poss911

As a 32 year old, it's refreshing to see that good, old fashioned values are still being taught. If we were at a bar, I'd buy you a beer.

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to TheBeastlyDude

Oh I would gladly accept and offer to buy the next round.

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to TheBeastlyDude

  If this was something that had a real life reward then I would take it more seriously. Personally I play this game for my own personal reasons. Do I like to win or look good? I prefer to win. If I look good while doing it, all the better. I am over forty years old and stopped worrying about what others think along time ago. Unfortunately a lot of people in the COD community haven't gone through this feeling yet.

-Cheaters/ modders; I can't agree with you more. They take the fun out of a game.

-Clans; I appreciate a good clan. Do I enjoy going against them? Only if I am playing with my son and his friends. Then it is a good/fun match. If I am playing the game solo then I will limit it to less than 3 clan members. Otherwise I will back out out. I can appreciate a challenge but it's not much challenge when a full clan locks down an area and the team I am on does nothing to help each other due to lack of communication. Don't get me wrong I don't hate the clans at all. I just wish more clans would compete against other clans, hence clan wars.

-Losing teams who are mouthy. People just need to accept that they are playing a game. This is supposed to be fun and enjoyment for you. Nothing in this game is going to effect you in the Real World. People just need to learn that yes there are people better than you. There always will be. You can't and will not win everything in your life. If anything you will lose more than win in life. I say again, this is a game.

-Lack of playstyles. I agree with you 100%. If I am struggling in a match then I switch up weapon loadouts and style. It may not always work but hey, do I get an E for effort for trying? Lol.

-As for what's the point if you don't win. What's the point to all of this? It's a game. Last I checked everyone who plays this game has either bought it for themselves or has been given the game as a gift or for whatever reason. People who try and tell people how they should play this game need to just stop telling everyone how they want everyone else how to play unless they are willing to buy the game for everybody who wishes to play it. I bought this game for my own amusement not yours or anyone else's. Not to sound mean about it just stating a fact.

  Like I said earlier, if this effected my life and I saw great reward from making sure I was the best and won everytime, I would put a ton more effort into this game. Being that it is just that, a game. I just plug along, try to win, if I look great..awesome and enjoy  the time spent playing this or any other game. Peace!!

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Re: Can you still be great and a loser at the same time?

in reply to poss911

Thanks for the response. I suppose I should have been more precise in presenting my argument. I never meant this as a slam against the casual player who plays for their own reasons, such as yourself, it was meant more of a slam against those who think stats make a player good.

Players like you are a majority of the COD players and most are decent human beings. It's those who are loudmouth, bragging about their stats after they lose the game, or whine about facing a clan on a team-based game. I am trying to challenge them to go for wins instead of stats.

Good luck to you in the game and I hope more people, those who just play to have fun, start to point out to those who brag about stats that stats mean nothing if they never win.

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