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You're coming off pretty liberal yourself.

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@Stevejan7 wrote:

Adam, what you said is really dumb. I would love to play as a German soldier. You realize that most German soldiers were not nazis right? They were drafted and forced to fight. There would be nothing wrong with playing as German. Sadly it won't happen because of liberal babies whining. 


Correct not all GERMANS were nazis  but ALL THE NAZIS were .

Many in the german populace and army were equally complicit though

 

Nothing about being a liberal anything just called being a decent human being 

 

 

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You realize only 40% of Germany voted for Hitler? And if you got drafted you were forced to fight or you would be killed? Would you be brace enough to say no? To them they were just fighting for their country. They didn't know why the war was being fought. The nazi regime threatened their own people unless they followed their strict laws. You cannot blame them as bystanders. That is ignorant.

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If they didn't fight back against what any normal, rational human being knows to be wrong... then they were complicit. If they didn't stand up for their fellow countrymen... they are bystanders.

Does it make all Germans bad people? No, not at all. But how do you make a German soldier a Protagonist without taking all this into account? 11 million died as they stood by idly. In what way do you think it's a good idea to normalize that?

War is awful. There are heroes on all sides, there are atrocities on all sides. But what was happening in Germany during WWII went beyond the normal atrocities and horrors of war. Innocents were slaughtered for nothing other than hatred, ignorance, and self-interest while their neighbors, friends, and countrymen stood by and did nothing to stop it.

The fact you are even fighting this shows you have never really studied nor do you understand humanity... or history.
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I'm not the one saying Germans were at fault for not fighting against their gov't. They didn't know how bad the nazis were for a while after they were elected. The Government took away their guns, effectively stopping any kind of revolution. I don't know if you know this but there were a ton of attempts by Germans and German soldiers to kill Hitler. All of them failed. You don't know what these Germans were going through and what their situation was.

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Sorry, but did you think that last sentence was Clever? Ever stood in Auschwitz, where you can still smell the burnt bodies? Glad you can be so flippant about it, sorry but I lost too many members of my family to find it amusing. Sorry but I listened to my Great-Uncle relate his experiences as a survivor of Auschwitz and Majdanek and the death marches.

The NAZIs weren't quiet about their Anti-Semitism. They weren't quiet about their desires for perfect Aryan society. They weren't doing all this in secret, it was right there in the open. Yeah, there was resistance. Yes, not everyone went along with it. But there is a reason that WWII and the NAZI regime is still a very sore, even Taboo subject in Germany... there is a lot of National Shame that they allowed this to happen under their noses. I know the history. I know it well. But my question to you hasn't been answered. How do you think it would work having a German Soldier as a Protagonist? In what scenario would this work to tell any kind of story people would want to play?
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Because you get to see what it was like to be a German solider. Germans fought for their country just like every American, Brit, and Frenchman did. Leaders declare wars and who gets killed? Young guys like these. No matter what flag they honor and what language they speak. No soldier on those battlefields wanted to be there. They wanted to be home with their families. You should read a book called "A higher call." It is about a German pilot who saw a damaged American bomber and risked execution to escort it out of Germany. He didn't want to be there. He hated nazis and hitler, but he was forced to fight just like almost every other German. They had no say in government, they had no choice. Many soldiers were hung and shot for not following orders. Don't be ignorant.
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I'm not...

You are the one asking for a game to "honor" German soldiers. They started a war for no reason other than the hopes of taking over the world. WWII has gone down in history as a battle of the forces of good against the forces of evil. Yes, many of the Germans were victims of their own Government, But a good many were active participants and ardent Nationalists. It doesn't make sense for an American based developer to tell a story from the wrong side of history. It's wrong in so many ways, and the fact you are pushing so hard for it is astounding.

You are grasping at straws with a handful of positive stories out of an overwhelmingly horrific situation.
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@Stevejan7 wrote:
. Don't be ignorant.

This applies equally to you, citing a few rare instances of human decency isn't a reason to say the majority of the german army didnt want to be fighting as they did.  also your reciting of that story is slightly skewed, i'm assuming you're refering to franz stigler ? it had NOTHING to do with him not wanting to fight, at the time the guy had nearly 30 confirmed aerial kills and was one kill away from a knights cross for the number of kills he had... The ACTUAL reason he didn't fire was the bomber was severly damaged and the crew had sustained heavy casulites when stigler got close he saw the crew and decided not to fire in the same way pilots didnt shoot down pilots who parachuted out of their planes.  Yes it was an act of compassion... but NOT because he didnt want to fight .  He actually had tried first to force them to land in germany and surrender, then to land in a sweden a nuetral country when they didn't he decided to escort the plane flying in formation so the german guns coulnt target them. 

 

It was nothing else but an act of decency and showing a compassion ... if anything just proves the point myself and Drew have been trying to explain that good people do not stand by or pretend something isnt happening..

 

The only thing nessacary for the triumph of evil os for good men to do nothing comes to mind here..

 

 

 

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so yeah the codwwii campaign WILL feature a Jewish soldier called zussman, and ...will also cover the holocaust and the atrocities the nazis did during the war....

 

guess thats closed that argument down then .

 

The campaign also covers treatment of the black soliders in the us army .

 

seems SH are really going for all out authenticity here and I cant freaking wait 

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