47 Replies Latest reply: Nov 6, 2011 1:46 PM by -pictureframe- RSS

    Could the Central Powers have won WW1?

      Well I was watching the military channel one day, and was surprised to see a show that wasn't about WW2 - but WW1! It highlighted the defeat of Russia and the treaty of Brest-Litovsk. It got me thinking that perhaps there may have been a chance for the Central Powers to pull off a victory.

      So instead of asking an intelligent person, or googling for an answer, I will ask you clowns what you make of it! Do you think the Central Powers could have won? And if they did win, how would the rest of history be affected?
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          iidarkshadowoo
          Ha, yeah right. The Ottoman Empire was coming into shambles, they refused to progress in society as other had due to their leaders emphasizing religion. And Austria-Hungary? They were losing their morale.

          But if they did win...the world "might" have been a better place.
          The result would not necessarily have been the world descending into Teutonic darkness as one might immediately assume. Germany before the war was well underway in the process of developing into a modern (social)democracy, and in case of a quick German victory my best bid is that Germany continues this development. WWII, nazis etc. as we know them certainly wouldn't have been possible.
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            ii darkshadow oO wrote:

             

            Ha, yeah right. The Ottoman Empire was coming into shambles, they refused to progress in society as other had due to their leaders emphasizing religion. And Austria-Hungary? They were losing their morale.



            Yes, the Ottoman Empire was significantly underdeveloped compared to other countries at the time, but I know for a fact that everyone had lost their morale by 1918. Morale can't do much against machine guns and artillery anyways.
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              iidarkshadowoo

              -PictureFrame- wrote:

               

              ii darkshadow oO wrote:

               

              Ha, yeah right. The Ottoman Empire was coming into shambles, they refused to progress in society as other had due to their leaders emphasizing religion. And Austria-Hungary? They were losing their morale.



              Yes, the Ottoman Empire was significantly underdeveloped compared to other countries at the time, but I know for a fact that everyone had lost their morale by 1918. Morale can't do much against machine guns and artillery anyways.



              The Americans were "fresher" (if that seems grammtatical correct) than the other nations. That's why we won.  (No, there were plenty of reasons really, but I'll go with that one)
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                Ahh yes, the Americans. There are two reasons why I think Germany still could have won, the first being the vast food and supplies in territories given up by Russia, and the second being the Spring Offensive, which got the Central Powers very close to the French Capital again (before American troops could arrive in sufficient numbers).

                But alas, the Offensive failed and American troops joined the Allies against Germany.
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                  iidarkshadowoo
                  Yes, the Central Powers could have won but not as quickly as the Schlieffen Plan, like the Spring Offensive, fantasized.
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                    Horrorman

                    ii darkshadow oO wrote:

                     

                    -PictureFrame- wrote:

                     

                    ii darkshadow oO wrote:

                     

                    Ha, yeah right. The Ottoman Empire was coming into shambles, they refused to progress in society as other had due to their leaders emphasizing religion. And Austria-Hungary? They were losing their morale.



                    Yes, the Ottoman Empire was significantly underdeveloped compared to other countries at the time, but I know for a fact that everyone had lost their morale by 1918. Morale can't do much against machine guns and artillery anyways.



                    The Americans were "fresher" (if that seems grammtatical correct) than the other nations. That's why we won.  (No, there were plenty of reasons really, but I'll go with that one)



                    Haha America won WW1 !? Do you know when America joined into WW1 -> April 6th, 1917. The Americans didn´t do that much for to win WW1, they only threw in a lot of human beings, and Germany wasn´t able to refill their army with fresh people. So if there wouldn´t have been the human  superiority as America joined, the war would have gone for ages with no side winning at all.

                    Just a side not. You guys know that "The 1919 Treaty of Versailles" is rersponsible for Nazi Germany...

                    In signing the treaty, Germany acknowledged responsibility for the war, agreeing to pay enormous war reparations and award territory to the victors. The "Guilt Thesis" became a controversial explanation of later events among analysts in Britain and the United States. The Treaty of Versailles caused enormous bitterness in Germany, which nationalist movements, especially the Nazis, exploited with a conspiracy theory they called the Dolchstosslegende (Stab-in-the-back legend). The Weimar Republic lost the former colonial possessions and was saddled with accepting blame for the war, as well as paying punitive reparations for it. Unable to pay them with exports (a result of territorial losses and postwar recession), Germany did so by borrowing from the United States. Runaway inflation in the 1920s contributed to the economic collapse of the Weimar Republic and the reparations were suspended in 1931 following the Stock Market Crash in 1929 and the beginnings of the Great Depression worldwide.


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                      Do you think that Germany would have treated the Allies as unfairly as The Treaty of Versailles, if they had won?
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                        If the United States hadn't entered the war, the Central Powers would have had a great opportunity to win the war following the Brest-Litovsk treaty.  Even with the U.S. in the war, the Germans were able to transfer most of their soldiers from the eastern to western fronts.  But, it was too little and too late, as the fresh American doughboys helped to turn the tide and keep it turned.

                        I can only imagine what could have happened had the Germans won WW1, maybe the holocaust wouldn't have happened.
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                          Horrorman

                          -PictureFrame- wrote:

                           

                          Do you think that Germany would have treated the Allies as unfairly as The Treaty of Versailles, if they had won?



                          Be sure about they would have done the same mistakes like the Allied forces did. But Nazi Germany would have never been.
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                            Unfortunately, I don't know much about WW1. But weren't the Germans better equipped and/or trained than the Allied powers? I mean, the Germans could defend large sections of their trenches with only 2 machine guns, which caused millions of Allied troops to die, they had Bertha guns, they had gas attacks which were pretty effective despite it was a terrible thing to use, ...

                            And like said above, I'm sure they could have won, but the world might not necessarily have been a terrible place afterwards. Actually, the Treaty of Versailles wasn't so much as a treaty, but more something like a collection of mandatory rules the Allies made, and which the Germans were obligated to follow. It was this treatment that caused WW2. It was because the Allied powers kind of mistreated Germany, that the national-socialist feelings grew in Germany. Especially when in 1920 something, I believe an American minister said that Germany had to pay their debts until 1984. Of course, no German was quite too happy with this, and that's when Hitler tried to take power.

                            On a little side note, Hitler was "only" put in jail for his failed attempt to take over control of Germany in Munich, yet the communist revolutionists in the east of Germany (laborers) were all executed. Imagine what the world would look like now when Hitler got a bullet to the head right then and there.
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                              ghosthound
                              If Adolf Hitler had been killed during WWI Nazi Germany, WWII or perhaps even the Cold War wouldn't have happened.
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                                I think if it wasn't for the US WW1 would have been lost.

                                But the world would look much different.
                                I think we would have less technology because so much technology was developed during WW2 which would have never happened.
                                Socialism wouldn't have taken over as much of the world.
                                The hippie revolution would never have happened so HIV and drug use would be much lower.
                                Millions of Jews, gays, and blacks wouldn't have been killed in the holocaust because it wouldn't have happened.
                                But if the holocaust hadn't happened modern day Israel wouldn't exist because the Jews would have no reason to form a nation.



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                                    Is it not that Jews have been wanting to return to their own nation since the diaspora during the Roman occupation?

                                  I also don't know where I read this (if it was on this forum, ignore this), but in one way, the Nazi doctors did a good thing. They showed what one can achieve if ethics are not taken into account. They did horrible things, but I'm sure that they actually found some useful things that are still used now, right?
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                                    Kamchakka wrote:

                                     

                                    Unfortunately, I don't know much about WW1. But weren't the Germans better equipped and/or trained than the Allied powers? I mean, the Germans could defend large sections of their trenches with only 2 machine guns, which caused millions of Allied troops to die, they had Bertha guns, they had gas attacks which were pretty effective despite it was a terrible thing to use, ...



                                    No, that was because Haig was a bast*rd who ordered all the men to go over the top whilsh he stayed in his office drinking tea.
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                                      leonhar13 wrote:

                                       

                                      Kamchakka wrote:

                                       

                                      Unfortunately, I don't know much about WW1. But weren't the Germans better equipped and/or trained than the Allied powers? I mean, the Germans could defend large sections of their trenches with only 2 machine guns, which caused millions of Allied troops to die, they had Bertha guns, they had gas attacks which were pretty effective despite it was a terrible thing to use, ...



                                      No, that was because Haig was a bast*rd who ordered all the men to go over the top whilsh he stayed in his office drinking tea.



                                      Then that is just bad leadership. So you could say the German command was better than the English command, since they did not order their men to storm to the other side, causing millions to die.
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                                        Yes. It was probably because the German command could wait a little longer than we could.
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                                          iidarkshadowoo

                                          -PictureFrame- wrote:

                                           

                                          So instead of asking an intelligent person, or googling for an answer, I will ask you clowns what you make of it!



                                          *cough* Ehm hmm?
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                                            daHawk
                                            my answer : no. Germany would not have won. In fact, i believe that in an extended WWI, the allies would have won, but they would be so war-torn that their economies would be in shambles and their governments would be very weak. After that your guess would be as good as mine as to what wouldve happened.
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                                              Would anyone else like to comment on the Spring Offensive? I have to admit, I was expecting a great post by Soy here. I probably drove him off by saying I wouldn't ask intelligent people...

                                              @Dark:
                                              Are you alright? Need a glass of water or something?
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                                                iidarkshadowoo
                                                Someone broke the rule, so now I have to killed Horrodog again.
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                                                  Horrorman

                                                  daHawk wrote:

                                                   

                                                  my answer : no. Germany would not have won. In fact, i believe that in an extended WWI, the allies would have won, but they would be so war-torn that their economies would be in shambles and their governments would be very weak. After that your guess would be as good as mine as to what wouldve happened.



                                                  I don´t think that any side would have won the war in a long time. The only reason Germany had to give up was, that America could throw in a lot of soldiers...But without, every side was running out of soldiers, without the ability to refresh them. It would have a been a trench warfare for ages, with no movement at all. It was a draw between each side. And at any time, there would have been a peace treaty with no winner. (without America joining late...)
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                                                    A lot of people here mention America joining as the turning point in the war. But America joined only because of unrestricted submarine warfare. And even then it was an unpopular war. So if the Germans didn't hit American ships (which is harder then it seems) then I think things would turn out very differently then they actually did.
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                                                      Byzantine Bomb
                                                      They could have. What if Italy had not turned on it's original ally Germany, thus opening a southern front in France? Imagine how many more French and British troops would have diverted to that front, not to mention their naval assests as well. That would have also left the AustroHungarian Empire with more soldiers to throw at Russia. What if the Germans had reached Paris? What if American had never entered the war? Endless specualtion.
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                                                        If wishes were fishes, the world would be an ocean.
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                                                          Kamchakka wrote:

                                                           

                                                          :^:  Is it not that Jews have been wanting to return to their own nation since the diaspora during the Roman occupation?

                                                          I also don't know where I read this (if it was on this forum, ignore this), but in one way, the Nazi doctors did a good thing. They showed what one can achieve if ethics are not taken into account. They did horrible things, but I'm sure that they actually found some useful things that are still used now, right?



                                                          They did. But WW2 was the final straw for them.
                                                          It was the final piece of evidence to show they need a country.

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                                                            DanielWW2
                                                            Yes they could.
                                                            They came very close to victory in 1918 but they were forced back just a few days before they would have reached Paris.
                                                            Both GB and France were completely threw there reserves and finances and if the USA offensive of 1918 also failed the French would have been broken in a late offensive of 1918 or 1919. In the end the Bolsheviks were to late with there peace for Germany.

                                                            As for the allies on either side:
                                                            Russia suffered defeat after defeat.
                                                            Austria-Hungary was collapsing under all the different ethnic groups in there empire.
                                                            The ottoman empire was all but done
                                                            Italy was pretty much useless to the allied cause. They were only useful when Russia signed peace with the centrals and Germany decided that it should take out Italy first so Austria-Hungary then could help with finish of the French.

                                                            The war was pretty much in between France and GB versus Germany from the start.
                                                            The von schlieffenplan could have worked but since th
                                                            e Russians mobilized to fast and the right flank was sent to East Prussia and then and only then could the French and British hold the line.

                                                            ii darkshadow oO wrote:

                                                             

                                                            Ha, yeah right. The Ottoman Empire was coming into shambles, they refused to progress in society as other had due to their leaders emphasizing religion. And Austria-Hungary? They were losing their morale.

                                                            But if they did win...the world "might" have been a better place.
                                                            The result would not necessarily have been the world descending into Teutonic darkness as one might immediately assume. Germany before the war was well underway in the process of developing into a modern (social)democracy, and in case of a quick German victory my best bid is that Germany continues this development. WWII, nazis etc. as we know them certainly wouldn't have been possible.



                                                            That has to be the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. 
                                                            Socialism was banned in Germany, the fast majority of the Germans didn't want socialism and much preferred being ruled by the Kaiser. 

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                                                              With the Europeans needing more and more weapons, you Americans were raking it in. The US supplied both the British and the German armed forces with the Maxims and the British one (I cant remember the name). Makes me kinda annoyed actually.
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                                                                iidarkshadowoo

                                                                -PictureFrame- wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                A lot of people here mention America joining as the turning point in the war. But America joined only because of unrestricted submarine warfare. And even then it was an unpopular war. So if the Germans didn't hit American ships (which is harder then it seems) then I think things would turn out very differently then they actually did.



                                                                "What if's" are dumb. Pointless. Meaningless.
                                                                Well they did. It did happen.
                                                                What if the Black Plague never happened? What if the atomic bomb was never created? What if Columbus never reached the west?
                                                                You would never know. You could never know. Ever. It cannot be guessed. It cannot be presumed. That "what if" doesn't exist in our universe so it is impossible to know what could have changed.

                                                                It's all fun and game until someone says America.  Just kidding.

                                                                Damn, I only read the rest of the responses afterwards...oh well, I like my post better than Reaper's anyways.
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                                                                  What's wrong with asking "What if?"? This thread was created to ask "What if?". Asking "What if?" is interesting, and can make interesting conversation.
                                                                  The power of "What if?" is so great that it kept a thread on-topic for almost 3 pages. That's a new record for OT.

                                                                  By the way, I still want to hear what Soy thinks on the subject.
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                                                                    DanielWW2

                                                                    -PictureFrame- wrote:

                                                                     

                                                                    What's wrong with asking "What if?"? This thread was created to ask "What if?". Asking "What if?" is interesting, and can make interesting conversation.
                                                                    The power of "What if?" is so great that it kept a thread on-topic for almost 3 pages. That's a new record for OT.

                                                                    By the way, I still want to hear what Soy thinks on the subject.



                                                                    I study history, you jerk. 
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                                                                      iidarkshadowoo

                                                                      -PictureFrame- wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      What's wrong with asking "What if?"? This thread was created to ask "What if?". Asking "What if?" is interesting, and can make interesting conversation.
                                                                      The power of "What if?" is so great that it kept a thread on-topic for almost 3 pages. That's a new record for OT.

                                                                      By the way, I still want to hear what Soy thinks on the subject.



                                                                      What if you never said that just now? What if you never posted this thread? What if you never created that account?
                                                                      Come on, I want some answers and they better be good. 15 pages by the end of the evening.
                                                                      Tell me how much longer you'll have fun then. 
                                                                      What if is powerless by the way.
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                                                                        iidarkshadowoo

                                                                        DanielWW2 wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        Yes they could.
                                                                        They came very close to victory in 1918 but they were forced back just a few days before they would have reached Paris.
                                                                        Both GB and France were completely threw there reserves and finances and if the USA offensive of 1918 also failed the French would have been broken in a late offensive of 1918 or 1919. In the end the Bolsheviks were to late with there peace for Germany.

                                                                        As for the allies on either side:
                                                                        Russia suffered defeat after defeat.
                                                                        Austria-Hungary was collapsing under all the different ethnic groups in there empire.
                                                                        The ottoman empire was all but done
                                                                        Italy was pretty much useless to the allied cause. They were only useful when Russia signed peace with the centrals and Germany decided that it should take out Italy first so Austria-Hungary then could help with finish of the French.

                                                                        The war was pretty much in between France and GB versus Germany from the start.
                                                                        The von schlieffenplan could have worked but since th
                                                                        e Russians mobilized to fast and the right flank was sent to East Prussia and then and only then could the French and British hold the line.

                                                                        ii darkshadow oO wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        Ha, yeah right. The Ottoman Empire was coming into shambles, they refused to progress in society as other had due to their leaders emphasizing religion. And Austria-Hungary? They were losing their morale.

                                                                        But if they did win...the world "might" have been a better place.
                                                                        The result would not necessarily have been the world descending into Teutonic darkness as one might immediately assume. Germany before the war was well underway in the process of developing into a modern (social)democracy, and in case of a quick German victory my best bid is that Germany continues this development. WWII, nazis etc. as we know them certainly wouldn't have been possible.



                                                                        That has to be the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. 
                                                                        Socialism was banned in Germany, the fast majority of the Germans didn't want socialism and much preferred being ruled by the Kaiser. 



                                                                        After achieving formal unification in 1871, Bismarck devoted much of his attention to the cause of national unity under the ideology of Prussianism. Conservative Catholic activism and emancipation, conceptualized by the conservative turn of the Vatican under Pope Pius IX and its dogma of Papal Infallibility, and working class radicalism, represented by the emerging Social Democratic Party, in many ways both reacted to concerns of dislocation by very different segments of German society, brought by a rapid shift from an agrarian-based economy to modern industrial capitalism under nationalist tutelage. While out-and-out suppression failed to contain either socialists or Catholics, Bismarck's "carrot and stick" approach significantly mollified (reduced)opposition from both groups.

                                                                        The most important opposition to the monarchy came from the newly formed Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD) in the 1890s which advocated Marxism. The threat of the SPD towards the German monarchy and industrialists caused the state to both crack down on socialist supporters as well as initiating social reform to soothe tensions. Germany's large industries provided significant social welfare programmes and good care to their employees as long as they were not identified as socialists or members of a trade union. Pensions, sickness benefits and even housing were provided to employees by the big industries to reduce social unease.


                                                                        Yes, Bismarck and Wilhelm II tried(did quite decently to an extent) to suppress the Social Democrats, but the fact of the matter is (as slowly as they were progressing) they were "starting" to break some barriers. It would eventually break through the longer it was suppressed. I've seen it (read about it really) all too many times. I haven't read of too many monarchies last forever, in fact, I've read as to how many ultimately develop into some sort of a republic.

                                                                        And just so I can understand, what do you exactly mean by vast majority? Just the ruler? I heard the absolute monarcharies usually counted as at least 80% of the populus back then.
                                                                        You should know yourself that anywhere between 10%-25% of those active in the political sphere is enough to start to break the blocks.
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                                                                          ii darkshadow oO wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          -PictureFrame- wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          What's wrong with asking "What if?"? This thread was created to ask "What if?". Asking "What if?" is interesting, and can make interesting conversation.
                                                                          The power of "What if?" is so great that it kept a thread on-topic for almost 3 pages. That's a new record for OT.

                                                                          By the way, I still want to hear what Soy thinks on the subject.



                                                                          What if you never said that just now? What if you never posted this thread? What if you never created that account?
                                                                          Come on, I want some answers and they better be good. 15 pages by the end of the evening.
                                                                          Tell me how much longer you'll have fun then. 
                                                                          What if is powerless by the way.



                                                                          Yes, I think counterfactual history is both interesting and entertaining. I just forgot to mention to you that "What If?" questions must be somewhat coherent for them to work properly. 
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                                                                            Byzantine Bomb
                                                                            Forgot to mention that also more troops and naval assests would have to have been diverted to Africa, not just the Medittereanean and southern France had Italy remained an ally of the Germans. Even more fronts would have been opened, furthing straining French and British reserves.
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                                                                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4CRkpBGQzU

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                                                                                I think they (the German army) could have had a chance. When the Treaty of Versailles was signed, the army was still fighting. They were still on the offencive not the defencive in France; which is important to remember. I think the 'November Criminals' who went on to start the Weimar Republic in 1919 just wanted the war over quickly before Germany went into debt up to its eye balls (which it ended up doing anyway). They owed the US millions because they couldnt keep up with the production of arms.

                                                                                To be fair, if the Centeral Powers did win, I very much doubt they would have been able to successfuly invade Britain. Britain hasnt been invaded for hundreds of years (William the Conqueror I think). I reckon the Itialians would have quickly changed sides for the second time, only to be destroyed by the German army once more. Half of France would have been occupied (we would have surrendered rather than be totally destroyed), with the other half staying with the French.
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                                                                                  Horrorman
                                                                                  Yep, that what I think as well.
                                                                                  • Re: Could the Central Powers have won WW1?
                                                                                    More counter-factual history:
                                                                                    What if Bismarck hadn't been fired?
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                                                                                      Masinini
                                                                                      They would have won, IMO, if the Americans hadn't become involved later on. This is not completely accurate, but describes it simply for others.

                                                                                      US=Team A
                                                                                      Allied Powers=Team B
                                                                                      Central Powers-Team C
                                                                                      (Team B=Team C)<Team A  ~only slightly.

                                                                                      Team B+Team A>Team C.

                                                                                      We gave the allies frwsh troops and supplies, along with the backing of the number 1 power in the world. The Central powers had none of that.
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                                                                                        Horrorman

                                                                                        -PictureFrame- wrote:

                                                                                         

                                                                                        More counter-factual history:
                                                                                        What if Bismarck hadn't been fired?



                                                                                        Bismarck was a monarchist, and also a supporter for to have an authoritarian state. So if Bismarck wouldn´t have been fired, we still could be a
                                                                                        monarchy.
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                                                                                          Byzantine Bomb
                                                                                          That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, the monarchs' powers could have decreased over time, much like in the UK.
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                                                                                            What if Russian troops reached Belgium in 1832 to crush our rebellion? What if we didn't win at the Guldensporenslag in 1302 against the French knights? What if the Germans broke through the Allied lines in the Battle of the Bulge in 1945? What if Hitler destroyed the RAF? What if the invasion of Normandy failed? What if Italy hadn't been freed by the Allies? What if Italy actually had some good soldiers and wiped out Greece and North-Africa? What if the Russians had an alliance with Germany?
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                                                                                              What if Russian troops reached Belgium in 1832 to crush our rebellion? Then you would have failed.
                                                                                              What if we didn't win at the Guldensporenslag in 1302 against the French knights? Then you would have failed.
                                                                                              What if the Germans broke through the Allied lines in the Battle of the Bulge in 1945? Then we all would have failed.
                                                                                              What if Hitler destroyed the RAF? Then we would have failed.
                                                                                              What if the invasion of Normandy failed? Then we would have failed.
                                                                                              What if Italy hadn't been freed by the Allies? Then we would have failed.
                                                                                              What if Italy actually had some good soldiers and wiped out Greece and North-Africa? Not alot. We would have still beat them.
                                                                                              What if the Russians had an alliance with Germany? Then we would have failed.
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                                                                                                DanielWW2

                                                                                                Kamchakka wrote:

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                What if Russian troops reached Belgium in 1832 to crush our rebellion? What if we didn't win at the Guldensporenslag in 1302 against the French knights? What if the Germans broke through the Allied lines in the Battle of the Bulge in 1945? What if Hitler destroyed the RAF? What if the invasion of Normandy failed? What if Italy hadn't been freed by the Allies? What if Italy actually had some good soldiers and wiped out Greece and North-Africa? What if the Russians had an alliance with Germany?



                                                                                                FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
                                                                                                Stupid Russians. 

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                                                                                                  Masinini
                                                                                                  What if people didn't give the stereotypical response of a thousand "What If" questions?
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                                                                                                    Peter P11c
                                                                                                    Well, I almost didn't post this reply, because I consider myself an intelligent person, not a clown. However, the question was so rhetoric in nature, that it might warrant a reply after all. Nothing, I repeat nothing could have helped the Central powers to win WWI. They were simply outmatched in resources by the Allies. Heavy losses notwithstanding, if Armistice was not declared in November 1918, then Allies would roll into Germany and occupy it all. As for Russians, they were not stupid, but simply didn't post much value to a human life. It happened in 1914-18 and repeated itself in 1941-45.
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                                                                                                        That's rough, Peter. But seeing as Germany technically did defeat Russia during WW1, the Central Powers indeed had a fighting chance to win the war.

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        The treaty of Brest-Litovsk forced Russia to cede large masses of land - land that was rich in resources - to Germany. Sure, this territory didn't win them the war, but one has to be amazed that one of the most important wars in history could have gone either way quite easily.