36 Replies Latest reply: Jul 25, 2012 3:02 PM by FiiLiiLii_CCC RSS

    A counter to EMP?

      Im not one for ranting or complaining BUT.. I can live with the Stealth Bomber.. I can live with the jug... but the EMP?!

       

      Anyone think there should be a counter for EMP?

       

      Im not going to mention how its OP it is, or that I think it is in the wrong Killstreak class but if its going to be in the game, at least give players who run assault a chance to counter it... and not have to wait for a full min to use their hard earned streaks.

       

      Or at least buff it, allow "un controlled" killstreaks to still be used.. something but IMO its just way way OP and really annoying..

       

      To just stop all killstreaks for 1min is a dam long time in this game.

       

      rant over.. what do you think?? 

        • Re: A counter to EMP?

          I think Assassin pro should ACTUALLY counter the EMP

          • Re: A counter to EMP?
            rlbl

            A suggestion:

             

            Have you ever been in a match where back to back EMPs get called in, making it so you cannot call anything in?

             

            There is no doubt that the EMP is the most powerful kill streak in the game (being able to knock everything out of the sky, making javelins useless, etc...). And considering anyone can get them as you do not lose your pointstreaks...

             

            And there already is a counter for allowing the enemy to call in an EMP, call it in yourself (how is that for circular logic lol)... I am not being serious... well... maybe a little.

             

            I think:

             

            - An EMP should not be able to be called in while another EMP is active (regardless of which team called it in)

            - There should be a delay between EMPs: e.g. if an EMP is 45 seconds, the same team cannot call in another for 45 seconds.

             

            I do not believe that Assassin should counter it (e.g. still be able to call stuff in) because being stealth has NOTHING to do with equipment... an EMP is what it is.

              • Re: A counter to EMP?
                phxs72

                Assassin Pro actually does counter it to the extent that you can still use your lock on launchers. I know that's not a real counter but it does come in handy for the multitude of air support that's sure to follow an EMP.

                • Re: A counter to EMP?
                  tedge

                  rlbl wrote:

                   

                  - An EMP should not be able to be called in while another EMP is active (regardless of which team called it in)

                  - There should be a delay between EMPs: e.g. if an EMP is 45 seconds, the same team cannot call in another for 45 seconds.

                  Oooor if you are having that much trouble with them, you set up a class to do the same thing and get your kills/destroy UAVs/etc faster than the other team.

                   

                  If they are just popping off EMPs one right after another, chances are you are getting your ass kicked anyway.

                • Re: A counter to EMP?
                  ghamorra

                  All Support streaks need to be spread out more, all it takes is aggressive game play and you can easily cycle through you streaks a couple times. EMPs need to be at least a 25+ streak

                    • Re: A counter to EMP?
                      BanHaMMer

                      Agreed ^^

                      • Re: A counter to EMP?

                        ghamorra wrote:

                         

                        All Support streaks need to be spread out more, all it takes is aggressive game play and you can easily cycle through you streaks a couple times. EMPs need to be at least a 25+ streak

                        this suggestion would work great in "objective" based game modes...for people like me who play mostly team deathmatch, it's pretty difficult to get 25+ kills before the game ends, unless the rest of your team and the entirety of the enemy team sucks.

                      • Re: A counter to EMP?

                        "A counter to EMP?"

                         

                        Don't get killed so many times, or work with your team, so that the other team doesn't accumulate enough kills to get an EMP.

                         

                        Or, learn to live without chasing a little red dot on a mini map.

                          • Re: A counter to EMP?
                            rlbl

                            LOL exactly... too funny (why didn't I think of that)

                             

                            Sometimes I run support from the beginning of the game if I feel the other team may be good (e.g. a full clan in lobby). I put my Take Down class on and go to work.

                             

                            Sometimes the clan is not good, or I end up taking so much crap out of the sky that I cycle through my pointstreaks 3 times (rare, but I do) ... twice is very common. So guess what... 2-3 EMPs for me in a game...

                             

                            Even if the EMP was a 25 pointstreak, I would still get 2 vs some teams.

                             

                            The best counter is, play better and keep people like me from doing well.

                          • Re: A counter to EMP?

                            I think there should be a limit to the EMPs used in a game, because I have encountered clans that their whole team runs EMP (So you end up being EMP'd for 80% of the match). We were playing KC or TDM, I don't remember and everytime one EMP was over, you would see sentry guns, cobras, a reaper and a second later, a third EMP would come in to get rid of all that. Its pretty overpowered, considering counter-UAV is already pretty bad for non-assassin users and the only reason people have never deemed it overpowered is because almost everyone has a class with assassin and EMP has a non-shootable CUAV, along with the fuzzy screen that barely lets you see anything.

                              • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                royalgard

                                I think EMP should be an Assult streak... 20 Killsstreak!

                                  • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                    rlbl

                                    20 is overkill... but having it in the assault package would greatly reduce the probability of it being achieved.

                                      • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                        royalgard

                                        Yes, 20 is a bit hig. But i would like to see it as a 15 streak

                                          • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                            rlbl

                                            yeah that would make a lot of sense...

                                             

                                            But by definition, it is more of a support than an assault streak... but having it as a support just causes one to get them too much.  One way to solve it is to have the streaks tiered, and not 100% cumulative.  If you die, you start over the tier.  This way someone who is doing badly would in theory have a VERY hard time getting to the higher point streaks.

                                             

                                            So, a solution could be to change the way the support pointsreak accumulation works.

                                             

                                            example: let's say there are 9 streaks, in 3 tiers

                                             

                                            1,2,3 in tier 1

                                            4,5,6 in 2 and so forth

                                             

                                            Let's say I pick poinstreak 2-6-9

                                             

                                            I kill 3 people (I got my pointstreak at 2), but I die.  I now have to start the tier over (but do not get my tier 1 pointstreak again)

                                            I kill 5 people (woot on a tare!) but I die.  I am now in tier 2, but I have to start the tier (which means I have to go on a 3 poinstreak to achieve my 2nd selected goal)

                                             

                                            If I never go on a 3 streak the rest of the match, I never get my 2nd selected pointstreak, and never make it to the next tier.

                                             

                                            Simple concept, maybe hard to implement.

                                              • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                                royalgard

                                                My point is that support is ok, (i never use it) but when bad campers just sit"s in corners and hangs back while they can get the EMP that takes out everything on the enemy team..

                                                 

                                                U know u work alot hardere and play more intes when u use assult rather than support..As i said: Good players almost always get punished just for having aim

                                                 

                                                I like that way u think btw

                                                  • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                                    rlbl

                                                    Yeah I believe most would agree with you that it is unfair that achieving many assault streaks are hard to get (even if they stack)... and then some player (who could be good, or bad) gets a point streak they may or may not have worked for and can disable everything.

                                                     

                                                    It does seem very upside-down

                                        • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                          The only thing that I hate about the EMP, is that the enemy can spam the **** out of them. 

                                           

                                          I've been in matches where we haven't been able to call in ANYTHING except BV's because of the enemy team calling in back to back to back EMP's.  Thing was, they were camping the factory and the loading dock in DOME.  Playing SOLO, all I could do was suggest my team to STOP running over there carelessly, feeding them these freaking EMP's.

                                           

                                          But, we all know how that goes...

                                          • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                            The moab should counter it, retarded that it doesn't regardless of an emp up. I would further more limit the use of it to 30 seconds. It's not that bad though, just switch to a specialist class. I love waiting for someone to call in his steath bomber or drop only to see it get destroyed by my emp instantly.

                                            • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                              there should be a counter to the MOAB.. I know you can blow it up, but its extremely hard to do

                                              • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                                I guess I'm the only person who thinks the EMP is fine.

                                                 

                                                I mean really - how would one call an EMP  - something that by nature destroys electronic circuits - overpowered?  How?  At all?  You know what it's going to do.  It only does ONE THING.

                                                 

                                                Anyway, putting it in the assault tier would be a wasted slot for assault (if you ask me) because there are people who would rather get an Osprey they can control than an EMP that only keeps electronics from working. 

                                                 

                                                EMPs don't kill you and if you don't want your bomber taken down, do what I do:  Get an EMP and Bomber, blow the EMP, then drop your bomber.

                                                 

                                                If you don't want there to be EMPs, get one before the other team or don't die as much.

                                                • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                                  They removed EMP as killstreak because noone was using it in MW2. I think EMP is good where it is now but the time should be reduced to 30 seconds or so. I think they set up the EMP perfectly, a support package and a team hardly gets 2 on a team deathmatch. Nothing against EMP.

                                                  • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                                    I would agree with rlbl and most others on the adjusting of the killstreak set up for support or at least making the EMP a lot more difficult to achieve.

                                                     

                                                    As Assassin Pro is powerful enough as it is. I would offer something like using Sitrep Pro would half the time of its effect.

                                                     

                                                    As to the "dont die so often" comments wow.. and I mean wow.. how stupid a statement is that? in an average game of domination, a person running support will easily get an EMP or two in a game.. and now that is an average to crap player. A good player that knows what they are doing? Who knows how many.

                                                    While assault players are putting in the effort to get their KS to be wasted by someone taking the "easy" way out?

                                                     

                                                    Like it or not, im not the worst of players out there, but I play solo most of the time, there is little I can do to stop the bottom player on our team going 6-32 I have enough to be doing in the game, so the statement of "dont die so much" is wasted.

                                                    • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                                      I always save my EMP for other people's stealth bombers, reapers, or AC-130s.  Things like this that are in the game and everyone can use it, doesn't bother me.  As long as it's fair use and anyone can get them.  Between this, and someone running around with FMGs, I find the EMP less annoying.

                                                       

                                                      The things that need work on, are the mechanics of the game, (compensation lag, spawns, matchmaking).

                                                      • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                                        sennalike

                                                        There should also be a counter t the counter EMP if it ever comes (which it wont), where should the roundabout end?  There is nearly always one killstreak/pointstreak (whatever) that has no counter.  For me that's fine.  Everybody liked the blackbird in BOs so why the hate for the EMP in MW3?  Both are relatively easy to get and only last for a short time in the game.  Neither are particularly game changing unless a team successfully calls in one after the other, i.e. repeated Blackbirds or repeated EMPs.  This has happened to e erm.......once in 24 days of MW3 gameplay, and I dont recall it ever happening in BOs with the Blackbird. 

                                                         

                                                        So you cant call in your "hard earned" (dont make me laugh) killstreaks for a minute.  Get over it.  By the way, one counter to the EMP is to run with a sensible specialist set up, they wont bother you in slightest that way.  If I was a game developer I'd give up with the amount of whining from players.

                                                        • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                                          xxphenomen4xx

                                                          i wouldn't mind seeing the emp as a care package item only justin.  i used to love getting the death machine and reaper tube in bo!?

                                                            • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                                              good point, and suggestion.. if it was a once off.. fair enough,

                                                               

                                                              I have played too many games where from about 3mins into the game, an EMP is active until the game ends, and yes that is where I change to my specialist class. It does not change the point where it is an OP and annoying KS which is too easy to earn IMO.

                                                               

                                                              I dont even know where to start with "sennalike" this would be a forum where people go to complain, rant, discuss etc and where the game developers go to see where they can improve. If it were not for the "whining players" we would still be where the game was on day 1, which is a hell of a lot worse than it is now.

                                                            • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                                              how u gonna counter EMP? lol thats an explosive thing you cant counter it.. in real life can you counter it? i dont thinkk so .. there cant be a counter for it .. its good as how it is.. 18kill streaks.. leave it as that.. it good like that... you dont like it when people use it.. but when you use it.. its the best thing in the game.. lol ( im only saying it cus there people who complain about the emp but love using it. )

                                                              • Re: A counter to EMP?
                                                                xxphenomen4xx

                                                                maybe make it 45 or 30 seconds, instead of the full minute, to make it less of an annoyance!?  personally i don't see the emp enough for me to feel that it is overpowered, but i do feel that it does take an enormous amount of time, especially when you're down ten kills!?

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                                                                  Thesandman

                                                                  I didn't know that an EMP counters a MOAB. I can't imagine how mad i'd be if i achieved my MOAB and it was during an enemy EMP,with only a minute left. That's just plain wrong.

                                                                    • Re: A counter to EMP?

                                                                      it doesnt counter a moab.. i got the moab & one of the enemies threw the emp & it didnt work .. ( i know cus the guy said it after the game was over that the EMP didnt work ) the Moab is like a EMP ... the emp last 60 just like it did in MW2.. why change it now? lol.. makes no sense..